New Mobil 1 Advanced Clean

[Sequoiasoon]

it is a 2021, just looked at vcm2, no support.....or so i think.

Here car runs smooth.

It's not necessary but many Honda V6 owners on the forums recommend to avoid future issues. She might never have issues and hopefully doesn't. She should also have the 9 speed transmission which is better than my 6 speed with less issues like torque converter recall. VCM when activated still makes it slip and uses the electronic motor mounts so vibrations are not noticed as much from an unbalanced motor.

Weird "side effect" many noticed with it disabled is less downshifting and allowing more coasting to lights and stop signs.

Like BITOG many come across the details when looking for solutions to problems like oil burning, CEL's etc.

 

[Mainia]

So , those who are savy to and use Valvoline Restore and Protect - who is the new Mobil 1 Advanced Clean targeted towards ? I need a reason to switch from Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W30 to the new Mobil 1 product after my 4 to 5 Valvoline Restore and Protect OCI’s are up .

Why switch? Wear #s are very low. Valvoline did not name the oil "Valvoline Restore and Protect Cleaner. It is Valvoline's #1 top tier premium motor oil that are giving what appears are some very low wear #s. It's marketing states is VERY proud of their anti- wear %. And it is higher then all their other oils.

Wouldn't Valvoline after I bet a couple years of testing go "WOW look at this oil clean, we have a first class oil here that does take up to 99% of carbon off the piston rings, lets save 50 cents and put an old cheap sub par add-pack in it and call it a day. It appears if we can trust their marketing on this oil, which appears to accurate on the novel cleaning ability. Spend the 50 cents and add a robust add-pack as it appears they did by the wear #s people are posting. Then I see others wanting to use it to clean and then go back to oils that while clean, don't seem to stop "ring land carbon growth". While I have an outlier car/brand that are one of the worst ringland carbon growers in the market. All my top tier and some boutique oils did NOTHING to stop jammed rings, and that is at a religious 3000 miles dump scenario. And you want to move to another oil? Interesting. Tracking a BMW, or a street thrasher , or wanting to be in the 10,000- 15,000 mile plus crowd club, then I get it to a point, average car driven normally and dumping at 5,000 to 7,500, I guess I don't see it.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

The marketing for Mobil 1 Advanced Clean is definitely more cautious than the Valvoline Restore and Protect claims. I’ll be curious to see if people get the same results as Valvoline Restore and Protect with it regardless. I think Mobil just tends to be more cautious about claims in general.

 

[Reloader59]

Did I miss where we learned this has PAO? SDS scrutiny? Wouldn't it need ester to balance that out (and virgin oxidation is low)? I guess unless they used ANs.

SDS - 1-decene, homopolymer hydrogenated CAS: 68037-01-4
>25%- <50%

 

[buster]

The marketing for Mobil 1 Advanced Clean is definitely more cautious than the Valvoline Restore and Protect claims. I’ll be curious to see if people get the same results as Valvoline Restore and Protect with it regardless. I think Mobil just tends to be more cautious about claims in general.

There is the cleaning up of sludge and maybe some varnish, but piston deposits can be much more stubborn. Unfortunately, it's hard to check for piston deposits so the only way you can really know for sure is:

1. The company claiming their product can clean piston deposits demonstrates it and shows before/after photos of pistons in a controlled engine lab setting (What Valvoline did).
2. Oil consumption stops after continued use (not entire reliable though because Noack could be a factor).
3. Tear down your engine (not happening).

While I think Valvoline Restore and Protect is without a doubt a game changer, I would still emphasize oils that don't leave deposits behind in the first place. Prevent them to begin with.

I'm not entirely sold on oil filter photos either. I'm not sure how reliable of a method that really is for determining where or what type of carbon is being removed.

 

[Lawnman23]

While I think Valvoline Restore and Protect is without a doubt a game changer, I would still emphasize oils that don't leave deposits behind in the first place. Prevent them to begin with.

Sure, that's accurate in theory. In reality, how does a consumer determine which ones specifically while staring at the 30+ varieties on the shelf at Walmart?

Valvoline Restore and Protect is the only one on the shelf to state it cleans up everything the others left behind:

My point being, most consumers don't deep-dive into oil before purchasing. They buy whats on sale/cheapest and since its "full synthetic", its as good as can be. As we now know, that is often not the case.

 

[tired]

There is the cleaning up of sludge and maybe some varnish, but piston deposits can be much more stubborn. Unfortunately, it's hard to check for piston deposits so the only way you can really know for sure is:

1. The company claiming their product can clean piston deposits demonstrates it and shows before/after photos of pistons in a controlled engine lab setting (What Valvoline did).
2. Oil consumption stops after continued use (not entire reliable though because Noack could be a factor).
3. Tear down your engine (not happening).

While I think Valvoline Restore and Protect is without a doubt a game changer, I would still emphasize oils that don't leave deposits behind in the first place. Prevent them to begin with.

I'm not entirely sold on oil filter photos either. I'm not sure how reliable of a method that really is for determining where or what type of carbon is being removed.


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Are these photos from the Valvoline Restore and Protect before and after? You'd think I would have them memorized by now, but the font and color of the "before and "after" looks like ExxonMobil red.

 

[tired]

SDS - 1-decene, homopolymer hydrogenated CAS: 68037-01-4
>25%- <50%

Much appreciated.

What do we think they're balancing the PAO out with? That's a pretty impressive PAO % for OTS oil these days.

 

[buster]

Are these photos from the Valvoline Restore and Protect before and after? You'd think I would have them memorized by now, but the font and color of the "before and "after" looks like ExxonMobil red.

Yeah those are both from Valvoline. The one that says before/after is from the video LSJ lab video. That was also just in one oil change too.

 

[tired]

Yeah those are both from Valvoline. The one that says before/after is from the video LSJ lab video. That was also just in one oil change too.

Oh wow I was assuming that was from the end of the 4 changes. Incredible.

 

[buster]

Oh wow I was assuming that was from the end of the 4 changes. Incredible.

If you skip to 13:28-14:40 you can see. It really is quite remarkable.

Valvoline did a good job with rolling this product out because they fully validated their claims. This was a great video.

Another shot:

 

[OVERKILL]

Yeah those are both from Valvoline. The one that says before/after is from the video LSJ lab video. That was also just in one oil change too.

I really wish they had used consistent lighting, they clearly didn't need to manipulate the lighting/contrast like they did to prove that it works.

 

[buster]

I really wish they had used consistent lighting, they clearly didn't need to manipulate the lighting/contrast like they did to prove that it works.

I'm not seeing any lighting differences. It was taken in their lab. Just probably due to where the pistons were laid down and photographed.

That's a fat hand.

 

[OVERKILL]

I'm not seeing any lighting differences. It was taken in their lab. Just probably due to where the pistons were laid down and photographed.

That's a fat hand.

Talking about this one:

It's clearly illuminated from the right, the left side is in shadow. Would have been nice for them to have used consistent, even lighting.

 

[tired]

Talking about this one:
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It's clearly illuminated from the right, the left side is in shadow. Would have been nice for them to have used consistent, even lighting.

I think it's just because there's so much carbon on the left, that it looks darker. It's like looking inside a black bag trying to find something vs a bag with light colored fabric. It's like digging around in a black hole.

Even if you think that they are playing games with the lighting, they still invited a third party (LSJ) into their lab, with bright fluorescent lighting, and let him take all the video he wanted. So you can validate their photos if you like with video that they didn't have access to.

You can see the carbon here.

I don't see any lighting differences. I think the rings are that coked up. I agree with @buster's assessment.

 

[GW.]

In that vid they also talk about the lighting in the lab. To be a certified lab requires certain lighting for inspection and “grading” the results.

 

[OVERKILL]

I think it's just because there's so much carbon on the left, that it looks darker.

Naw, the top of both sides are carbon black, but on the left it starts off well illuminated and then goes into shadow, while on the right, the whole thing is illuminated to the point where the carbon is shiny. I'm not talking about the ring lands, but the actual piston, the piston is shiny black in the centre on both of them, and on the right, that shininess continues as it curves off still within the reach of the light source, while on the left, the shiny fades into darkness as the whole side, as you move further left, goes into shadow.

The LSJ pictures are fine, they all have consistent lighting, it's just that one picture buster posts of the two "halves" that has this effect.

 

[OVERKILL]

In that vid they also talk about the lighting in the lab. To be a certified lab requires certain lighting for inspection and “grading” the results.

Yes, but that's not required for dramatic marketing photos of course. It just rubs me the wrong way, the results are clearly fantastic, there's no need to make them appear even more dramatic through intentional manipulation of the lighting.

 

[tired]

Naw, the top of both sides are carbon black, but on the left it starts off well illuminated and then goes into shadow, while on the right, the whole thing is illuminated to the point where the carbon is shiny. I'm not talking about the ring lands, but the actual piston, the piston is shiny black in the centre on both of them, and on the right, that shininess continues as it curves off still within the reach of the light source, while on the left, the shiny fades into darkness as the whole side, as you move further left, goes into shadow.

The LSJ pictures are fine, they all have consistent lighting, it's just that one picture buster posts of the two "halves" that has this effect.

Ok, I see what you're seeing now. Probably something a BA in marketing did while the engineers rolled their eyes and groaned.

At least we have the video to back the results up. I think this shows that they have nothing to hide.

 

[brillo54]

If you go to the original photo on the Valvoline website, the vertical line can be moved right or left to show either the dirty or clean piston fully. I think the lighting is the same. It's the poor reflectivity of the black that you're noticing.