New Mobil 1 Advanced Clean

[buster]

Couldn't ask much more of them IMO. The only thing they haven't given out is how it works lol.

Lake going to their lab just further increased the validity of it.

 

[OVERKILL]

If you go to the original photo on the Valvoline website, the vertical line can be moved right or left to show either the dirty or clean piston fully. I think the lighting is the same. It's the poor reflectivity of the black that you're noticing.

Yeah, that shows the same lighting issue:

In fact, I'd argue it makes it even more obvious.

 

[OVERKILL]

Here's the image with the illuminated side as the constant (I inverted the top one):

Here's the image with the shadowed side as the constant (I inverted the bottom one):

You can clearly see the lighting differences.

And for the sake of completeness, here's the image made the opposite way, with the illuminated side of the dirty piston inverted and on the left and the shadowed side of the clean piston inverted and on the right:

 

[buster]

Lighting looks good. Very bright, clear. I like the brightness and contrast level as it really gives you a very refined look of how clean the pistons are. The brightness level really allows you to see in full detail.

 

[Japanese]

Yes, but that's not required for dramatic marketing photos of course. It just rubs me the wrong way, the results are clearly fantastic, there's no need to make them appear even more dramatic through intentional manipulation of the lighting.

Well, tell that to any marketing dept. manager/director. In marketing there is always exaggeration of certain product's features. That's the most important part of the work in any marketing department.
It's the same as expecting your burger to look like exactly as on the TV commercial or a build board. Or your chips to look exactly as pictured on the bag where marketing even enlarges the product and then writes below with small letters "not an actual size", "product enlarged to show texture".

Naw, the top of both sides are carbon black, but on the left it starts off well illuminated and then goes into shadow, while on the right, the whole thing is illuminated to the point where the carbon is shiny. I'm not talking about the ring lands, but the actual piston, the piston is shiny black in the centre on both of them, and on the right, that shininess continues as it curves off still within the reach of the light source, while on the left, the shiny fades into darkness as the whole side, as you move further left, goes into shadow.

Usually, in production photography the object is illuminated more from one side than the other because the highlights and shadows underline the product's dimensionality. The product looks more 3-dimensional vs flat. If you illuminated any product (especially on a white background) equally from both sides it looks flat and looses its dimensionality because the highlights and shadows are missing.

You have the freedom/slider to fully reveal one image or the other, both taken under the same lighting conditions.

 

[OVERKILL]

Well, tell that to any marketing dept. manager/director. In marketing there is always exaggeration of certain product's features. That's the most important part of the work in any marketing department.
It's the same as expecting your burger to look like exactly as on the TV commercial or a build board. Or your chips to look exactly as pictured on the bag where marketing even enlarges the product and then writes below with small letters "not an actual size", "product enlarged to show texture".


Usually, in production photography the object is illuminated more from one side than the other because the highlights and shadows underline the product's dimensionality. The product looks more 3-dimensional vs flat. If you illuminated any product (especially on a white background) equally from both sides it looks flat and looses its dimensionality because the highlights and shadows are missing.

You have the freedom/slider to fully reveal one image or the other, both taken under the same lighting conditions.

Yes, and I also have the freedom to take both pictures and put them together in different ways to show the differences, which I've done.

 

[Japanese]

Yes, and I also have the freedom to take both pictures and put them together in different ways to show the differences, which I've done.

Yes, it's exaggerate a bit, so what did you find out?
What about the piston skirt which is completely different color?

 

[Sequoiasoon]

Well, tell that to any marketing dept. manager/director. In marketing there is always exaggeration of certain product's features. That's the most important part of the work in any marketing department.
It's the same as expecting your burger to look like exactly as on the TV commercial or a build board. Or your chips to look exactly as pictured on the bag where marketing even enlarges the product and then writes below with small letters "not an actual size", "product enlarged to show texture".


Usually, in production photography the object is illuminated more from one side than the other because the highlights and shadows underline the product's dimensionality. The product looks more 3-dimensional vs flat. If you illuminated any product (especially on a white background) equally from both sides it looks flat and looses its dimensionality because the highlights and shadows are missing.

You have the freedom/slider to fully reveal one image or the other, both taken under the same lighting conditions.

Just like in adult videos or maybe what I have said in certain situations.....I mean, I heard a friend say that.....

Proper lighting and marketing is very important. OMG!

 

[wemay]

Bottom line to this point:
•Valvoline Restore and Protect - a remarkable product
•M1AC - we're hopeful

 

[OVERKILL]

Yes, it's exaggerate a bit, so what did you find out?
What about the piston skirt which is completely different color?

It just confirmed my observations about the lighting. The side of the piston being discoloured with what appears to be a light coating of varnish or lacquer I assume is due to whatever method they've employed to get the piston that ugly for the purposes of then cleaning it and showing the effect.

You can see a similar coating on this piston from a tear-down photo I posted a while back:

 

[buster]

Thanks to Valvoline providing so many photos from different angles we can make everyone happy.

I like this series - nice and bright.

 

[wemay]

Thanks to Valvoline providing so many photos from different angles we can make everyone happy.

I like this series - nice and bright.
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100% agree.

 

[wemay]

As for lighting differences, it happens. I didn't take issue when Mobil 1 did it, not going to start now with Valvoline Restore and Protect.

 

[Reloader59]

Much appreciated.

What do we think they're balancing the PAO out with? That's a pretty impressive PAO % for OTS oil these days.

I'm really not sure. Possibly AN, but can't see anything to verify. Hopefully more information will come out.

 

[OVERKILL]

Thanks to Valvoline providing so many photos from different angles we can make everyone happy.

I like this series - nice and bright.
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Yes, that has uniform lighting, much better picture.

 

[OVERKILL]

As for lighting differences, it happens. I didn't take issue when Mobil 1 did it, not going to start now with Valvoline Restore and Protect.


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Amusingly, that picture has the opposite issue, Mobil used more light on the "before" photo, making it less dark, then compared to the "after" photo.

 

[IndyFan]

Lighting issues, or not, it's still very impressive.

 

[tired]

I'm really not sure. Possibly AN, but can't see anything to verify. Hopefully more information will come out.

Thanks for replying. I was about to bump my question for another shot at some insight.

Hopefully the Russian oil nerds will get some info.

PAO + AN hopefully at Walmart soon. Could be a real contender.

Someone remind me. Do Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Mobil 1 Truck and SUV have PAO? I think they have AN. Of course I can't find that screenshot @Glenda W. has at the ready from LSJ Mobil 1 video when I need it...

 

[GW.]

Thanks for replying. I was about to bump my question for another shot at some insight.

Hopefully the Russian oil nerds will get some info.

PAO + AN hopefully at Walmart soon. Could be a real contender.

Someone remind me. Do Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Mobil 1 Truck and SUV have PAO? I think they have AN. Of course I can't find that screenshot @Glenda W. has at the ready from LSJ Mobil 1 video when I need it...

I got ya! If I remember correctly Lake mentioned in one of his vids that the presence of ester is a strong indication of PAO. Not sure how that applies to AN’s.

 

[tired]

As for lighting differences, it happens. I didn't take issue when Mobil 1 did it, not going to start now with Valvoline Restore and Protect.


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Which product and test are these photos from?