New member with oil filter story

[DOHCtor]

i saw that awhile ago... tought you would be interested to see it...

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=166561

 

[Gremil]

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Start giving you something to read? There are currently over 945,000 posts on BITOG. You've got more than enough to read already.

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I am a cynic when it comes to what a person says about something. I've been burned too many times. I really like to see better information. That picture you posted speaks volumes with a disassembled Mobil 1 filter. But if someone says they are using silicone with nothing else I just take it under advisement.

I have had people, usually other mis-informed AMSOIL Dealers, tell me that the Franz toilet paper filter did not filter very well and would channel unfiltered oil. I believed this and one day a guy selling Franz took strong issue with me. First call I made by phone for more information was to the AMSOIL Technical Services for more information. Guess what? They let me know that the Franz toilet paper filter filters exceptionally well and even gave me technical specifications on that filter. I had to apologize to the Franz guy and it just left me with egg on my face. Reading information posted gets my attention better with links to something credible to back it up. You have to admit, even with credible information, things still aren't what they seem.

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But we're just supposed to take you misinformed posts at face value, right?

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We know you won't that's for sure! It really doesn't bother me. I may have found outdated information on filters, but didn't make a big deal out of it. You showed me updated information and I was appreciative. However, if someone posts something you really can't take it at face value every time. You should see some of the stuff posted at forums all over the place.

This is why we discuss these issues. It's a learning experience for all of us.

 

[Gremil]

One quick comment on that link where they were posting about using larger filters, watch out! If you trade your smaller filter for a larger one you need to be sure of the needs of the oil system on your engine. Some engines have oil pressure relief valves built into the oil system to prevent oil starvation to engine parts. But some engines don't so the filter needs to have the relief valve built in for those applications. I've actually run into people who made that mistake and had poor oil pressure problems until the filter what changed. If the engine requires a by pass relief valve to be built into the filter, make sure any larger filter you use has the relief valve. If in doubt, just buy a filter with the relief valve built in.

I'm notorious for going for a bigger full flow spin on filter. I don't even check to see if the engine does or does not have a relief valve in the oils system. I just use a filter with the relief valve to be sure.

If I'm not mistaken high end performance filter all have the relief valve already built in don't they? Maybe someone knows the answer to this.

 

[TurboJim]

The problem with using a filter on a application it was not designed for is that the manufacturer will not honor a warranty claim on it.

If you are willing to accept that risk you can sometimes find alternatives to meet your needs. Wix's website is a good resource for comparing various filter specifications.

 

[Gary Allan]

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Some engines have oil pressure relief valves built into the oil system to prevent oil starvation to engine parts. But some engines don't so the filter needs to have the relief valve built in for those applications. I've actually run into people who made that mistake and had poor oil pressure problems until the filter what changed. If the engine requires a by pass relief valve to be built into the filter, make sure any larger filter you use has the relief valve.

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People that run into problems ..or rather, can run into problems ..are SBC racing (or para-racing) types that defeat the in block FILTER bypass mechanism and still use a standard or racing Chevy filter. There you can setup (and this has happened to one member) a situation where you can collapse the media and block your oil flow. I never understood the sensibility of this practice ..regardless of how it's anchored in tradition. There's a coordinated concert between pump relief and filter bypass that limits stress on things without starving the engine of substantial flow. The bypass valve (either in block or in filter) prevents oil starvation to the engine by limiting the max resistance that the filter can present to a pump in relief (the only time that a filter can present any resistance to flow that results in flow reduction). The bypass valve setting is to protect the media from breach or collapse.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

Interesting.. The Mobil1 black filters have been right around $10.00, I'd never consider them given PureOnes @ $5.88, but today they had em at Auto-Zone (M-104) on a clearance table, 3.99, I bought the whole box of 12. Even at this reduced price, Utah Billy would laugh at this purchase, but I run the PureOnes 13K/2OCI and these seem more than capable if they really have the glass-impregnated media. That ain't the interesting part, what was interesting is these M104s have a spring-loaded center post coming off the closed end of the filter extending halfway up the length in the middle of the center tube. Doesn't appear to be a leaf spring in there like that depicted in the photo above. Did you leave a piece out of the "exploded" view, G-Man? Yours is the M110, but the 104 is the same size dixie-cup as mine, and no center-piece..