edyvw
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I just cannot believe you are insinuating there is some corruption in NJ. I mean, that is hard to believe such a thing would happen there.
New Jersey tells Tesla: remove super chargers from NJ Turnpike
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Wow. Impressive mental gymnastics you’ve got going on there.
I'm in California now but used to live in NJ and used the Turnpike enough but with an ICE vehicle. Just used the restroom at rest stops and gassed up; never bought junk or fast food. In CA, the few times I've used a Tesla Supercharger there was a bathroom on premises or the SC was on strip mall where a Starbucks or other establishment was available. Given the significant cost differential in charging costs and with Tesla SC available just off the Turnpike, I would guess most Tesla drivers would opt to continue with Tesla SC. I know I would, especially if bathroom facilities were also present. Seeing how our local Costco's gas lines are invariably long, I would say Tesla could also capture some of the other EV drivers that have the Tesla ports or adapters.
The biggest advantage with Tesla Superchargers in charging a Tesla vehicle is ease of use. Have an account set up with a payment source? Just plug it in and wait to get billed. None of this other stuff like using a credit card at a point of sale terminal or just another account setup - like a ChargePoint card. I had access to Tesla loaners and it was just plug it in and don't even worry about any payment, including idle fees.
As for location, I'm not sure about that near bathrooms? I'm not sure about that. I've seen some in random locations, like Laytonville, California. The only business there is a random Chinese restaurant where reports are that nobody uses the bathroom without buying something. When I was in Crescent City and needed a charge, it was in a random business's parking lot and I don't believe there was anything around there. It was across the street from the Redwood National/State Parks headquarters, so I suppose they'd allow people to go there to use the facilities when open.
You mention SB, and they've apparently changed their position on allow anyone to use a bathroom.
I know different areas have different Tesla agreements for charge locations, but so far every one of them I've used in this area are in a Culver's restaurant, Target parking lot, grocery store parking lot, or full shopping complex. The one in the Chinese restaurant parking lot is poor placement. That said it could be a Supercharger location that the Chinese restaurant applied to host to try and drive business in. The problem I notice with a proper sit down restaurant, I'm done charging well before I'm done with my meal. It's a fast food stop at best when it comes to restaurants. Culver's is a good fit for that being cooked to order, but still relatively fast.
I remember last year I went to a Burger King and they had them all under wraps waiting to open.
I think the one in Laytonville is just there out of geographic necessity. It's the only one on US-101 between Ukiah and Eureka, which are over 150 miles apart. I would think it was a deal with the property owner, as the businesses are likely just tenants. I passed by there on the way to Eureka, but I didn't realize that the area had a bit more in the area, including a market, a local pharmacy, and a bank.
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Lets face it. The more I see Musk talk it's "discounts or deals for me not for thee." I suspect Tesla didn't comply with the rules or another company offered a better contract option.
I posted the terms I found in post #63 - there paying Applegreen $1.2M per site. Tesla did it for free, according to NJTA meeting minutes.
Tesla also claims to have offered to upgrade there chargers, and to co-locate and install CCSI "magic Doc" so everyone could use them. That was a post on X, so if you want to say that was a lie - possibly.
I am open to someone actually finding some data on how Tesla torqued NJTA - not the other way around? I realize that many people hate Tesla, but seemingly no facts have been presented that contradict anything I have found so far
They claim to have offered that in this post , if I understand the CCS1 thing correctly?
So, you’re calling for an Article 5 convention? Or a revolution?
JHZR2
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The service plazas get redone every so many years, restaurants change, fuel supplier may change too.
Not sure how the Tesla contract was set up, but I wouldn’t doubt it too gets recomputed.
That said, there is a lot of hatred around here, and I wouldn’t put it past the powers that be to play that game.
JHZR2
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EV drivers are the most likely to be giving that “pay your fair share” bit, but then not voluntarily do so on their road tax.
I bet the people who might have thought the cost of driving a EV, would be less due to not having to pay gasoline road taxes, are feeling they've been bamboozled. I don't know how much anyone spends on electricity to recharge their car in a year here in New Jersey, but once they have to cough up another $250-$280 for registration, I'm sure they are questioning their choice of vehicle as being a cheaper alternative.,,,
OVERKILL
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I spend about $8,000/year on gasoline between the two vehicles, so there's a lot of room for improvement
At this point it's like streaming services vs cable TV. When it initially existed, prices were low, services were good, etc.
Now that the "cat is out of the bag", so to speak, prices have gone up and they are back to about the same as cable TV.
EV owners got some years for "free" in regards to not paying their fair share of the road tax. Now they have to. And like Overkill said...they are still well below what ICE costs so they should have no problem paying that small amount in the name of saving the environment (which they claim to be doing by buying an EV in the first place)
Me? Ill keep buying ICE vehicles until there are none left to buy. EVs just dont fit our use case.
Would you feel any better if you spent less on gas, but got hit with a "we gotta make up the lost revenue tax" somewhere tax?.,,,I spend about $8,000/year on gasoline between the two vehicles, so there's a lot of room for improvement
OVERKILL
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I've been an advocate for an EV "fuel" surcharge, like is placed on road gas and diesel, which is supposed to cover things like road and bridge maintenance. Rather than a static fee, it would be based on the kWh used over the course of the year. More efficient EV's (which are lighter, and easier on the road) would pay less, while heavier EV's that are thirstier (think: Hummer), would pay more by virtue of using more electricity, which is the same as how it works with gas and diesel.
This could be easily implemented at public charge stations, but also at home, since the EV "handshakes" with the charger, and there's a data path there that would allow that information to be captured by smart meters for example.
Last time I ran the numbers, I pay a lot more in EV road tax than fuel tax based on the number of miles driven. Like double.
What are the costs in CA?
I think CT is $250 extra for reg on an EV (reg is good for 3 yrs IIRC). But our per-gallon gas tax is like 25-30 cents.
250/3 = ~85/yr
25 cents/gallon of fuel = ~350 gallons in that 85/yr. Our best mpg vehicle gets 24 mpg, 24*350 = 8400 miles which is about one years worth of miles for that vehicle. Our other 2 vehicles get worse MPG, so we're losing money there too. The $250 fee does make up for most of it, though.
My thing is...does the 250 (or even the gas tax) actually go to repairing the roads and bridges? If you ever drive around CT, you'll know its a resounding "nope".