Thats true but with Michelins you dont have to go to that extent to get a good balance...
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Go figure. They are the one with the least returns or problems...
Michelins have less roling resistance and mine handle great in the rain...MXV4 Energy 205/16/60 v speed rated...
I've always had good luck with Goodyear aftermarket tires as long as I bought one of their better tires. The OEM's are all the same, poor treadlife and poor wet traction. I'll probably try these new Goodyears on my Grand Prix. I've got Michelin Energy LX4's on my wagon and I was considering those for my GP but I'd like to give the Goodyears a try just to see how they are.
Originally Posted By: rszappa1
Michelins have less roling resistance and mine handle great in the rain...MXV4 Energy 205/16/60 v speed rated...
I think those are the exact size and model of the tires that came on our Sonata. Definitely not a bad tire.
Michelins have less roling resistance and mine handle great in the rain...MXV4 Energy 205/16/60 v speed rated...
I think those are the exact size and model of the tires that came on our Sonata. Definitely not a bad tire.
Mine are on an 07 Accord...With 66,000 on it...yes I drive alot...and they still have 5/32nds left and all wearing even...I rotate front to back no crisscross every 10,000...
Originally Posted By: Thingfish
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From what I was told, Michelin is the one that started that type of balancing.
Uniformity measurements have been used in the tire industry for as long as I can rememeber - let's just say more than 30 years. It is my impression that uniformity measurement is a US invention - although I am not sure which company first explored it.
The Hunter GSP9700 seems to have been a development strictly by Hunter Engineering, but there are hints that they had help from Goodyear.
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From what I was told, Michelin is the one that started that type of balancing.
Uniformity measurements have been used in the tire industry for as long as I can rememeber - let's just say more than 30 years. It is my impression that uniformity measurement is a US invention - although I am not sure which company first explored it.
The Hunter GSP9700 seems to have been a development strictly by Hunter Engineering, but there are hints that they had help from Goodyear.
Originally Posted By: WishIhadatruck
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The OEM's are all the same, poor treadlife and poor wet traction.
The technology triangle is rolling resistance / treadwear / traction. OE tires tend to go for RR and sacrifice treadwear or traction to get it.
If you don't like the performance of the OE tires, then ANY tire that advertises low RR should be a reason to avoid them.
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The OEM's are all the same, poor treadlife and poor wet traction.
The technology triangle is rolling resistance / treadwear / traction. OE tires tend to go for RR and sacrifice treadwear or traction to get it.
If you don't like the performance of the OE tires, then ANY tire that advertises low RR should be a reason to avoid them.
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Sounds like Goodyear tires are a hit or miss.
I think a lot of it has to do with if you're dealing with OEM or aftermarket tires... with all manufacturers, not just Goodyear.
From what I've heard and personally experienced, Michelin seems to be more consistent with their product line in terms of quality control.
I've had nothing but problems from Michelin and nothing but great results from GoodYear. Guess I'm lucky.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Sounds like Goodyear tires are a hit or miss.
I think a lot of it has to do with if you're dealing with OEM or aftermarket tires... with all manufacturers, not just Goodyear.
From what I've heard and personally experienced, Michelin seems to be more consistent with their product line in terms of quality control.
I've had nothing but problems from Michelin and nothing but great results from GoodYear. Guess I'm lucky.
Originally Posted By: Dominic
Less rolling resistance = Less tire/road friction = Less grip
I'll pass.
Saving $$ on gas is not worth increasing my stopping distance
I agree! I value performance and safety over gas mileage, which can't really be that much savings to amount to much.
Less rolling resistance = Less tire/road friction = Less grip
I'll pass.
Saving $$ on gas is not worth increasing my stopping distance
I agree! I value performance and safety over gas mileage, which can't really be that much savings to amount to much.
Originally Posted By: Brett Miller
They'll probably be as slippery as a bar of soap on a wet road.
Based on my Yaris's Potenza RE-92's, I wouldn't doubt that one bit.
They'll probably be as slippery as a bar of soap on a wet road.
Based on my Yaris's Potenza RE-92's, I wouldn't doubt that one bit.
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: WishIhadatruck
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The OEM's are all the same, poor treadlife and poor wet traction.
The technology triangle is rolling resistance / treadwear / traction. OE tires tend to go for RR and sacrifice treadwear or traction to get it.
If you don't like the performance of the OE tires, then ANY tire that advertises low RR should be a reason to avoid them.
Certainly a possibility, but occasionally you find a tire that seems to find a better balance than others.
Originally Posted By: WishIhadatruck
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The OEM's are all the same, poor treadlife and poor wet traction.
The technology triangle is rolling resistance / treadwear / traction. OE tires tend to go for RR and sacrifice treadwear or traction to get it.
If you don't like the performance of the OE tires, then ANY tire that advertises low RR should be a reason to avoid them.
Certainly a possibility, but occasionally you find a tire that seems to find a better balance than others.
Capri,
Would you put LLR tires on *your* car ?
If so, which ones ?
Would you put LLR tires on *your* car ?
If so, which ones ?
Oregon's governor wants to MANDATE low rolling resistance tires in this state. Presumably the Tire Police will be inspecting sidewall markings at random and issuing tickets for non compliance.
Cool, so everyone will be jumping the border into the surrounding states to buy tires. I can see this working.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Capri,
Would you put LLR tires on *your* car ?
If so, which ones ?
No. My strategy is to buy good wearing tires and then inflate the tires to 3 to 5 psi above the placard pressure (or if I am not using the placard tire size, the equivalent.)
The downside to this strategy is that the car rides a bit rougher, but I am willing to put up with that. Plus, I really prefer crisp steering response, which you also get with more inflation pressure.
Capri,
Would you put LLR tires on *your* car ?
If so, which ones ?
No. My strategy is to buy good wearing tires and then inflate the tires to 3 to 5 psi above the placard pressure (or if I am not using the placard tire size, the equivalent.)
The downside to this strategy is that the car rides a bit rougher, but I am willing to put up with that. Plus, I really prefer crisp steering response, which you also get with more inflation pressure.
I like the "more pressure" solution, although I have been reluctant to recommend it to others. Our very high mileage Lumina Minivan (250K) has had T rated tires most of its life, all rated at 44 psi. I tend to run them toward the top of that and have never had any abnormal suspension wear that some worry about, and they still wear evenly, usually 60K miles per set.
I am looking for both gas mileage and great wet traction.
Since this vehicle is towing continously (4,880 lb boat) I also note that higher pressure greatly reduces any "tailwag" tendencys.
Current Tires: Yokohama Avid TRZ, also GREAT traction on wet boat ramps.
I am looking for both gas mileage and great wet traction.
Since this vehicle is towing continously (4,880 lb boat) I also note that higher pressure greatly reduces any "tailwag" tendencys.
Current Tires: Yokohama Avid TRZ, also GREAT traction on wet boat ramps.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Sounds like Goodyear tires are a hit or miss.
I think a lot of it has to do with if you're dealing with OEM or aftermarket tires... with all manufacturers, not just Goodyear.
From what I've heard and personally experienced, Michelin seems to be more consistent with their product line in terms of quality control.
I've had nothing but problems from Michelin and nothing but great results from GoodYear. Guess I'm lucky.
We've had bad luck on OEM Goodyear/Dunlop tires. The Dunlop SP Sport 4000 A/S on our Sienna failed prematurely with plenty of tread left. I was able to get the VSC on the Prius to kick in on a DRY road on no-Integritys.
We've always used Michelin here. Except on the beater which has TripleTreds and HydroEdges on it and a POS Mercedes we put Bridgestone on.
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Sounds like Goodyear tires are a hit or miss.
I think a lot of it has to do with if you're dealing with OEM or aftermarket tires... with all manufacturers, not just Goodyear.
From what I've heard and personally experienced, Michelin seems to be more consistent with their product line in terms of quality control.
I've had nothing but problems from Michelin and nothing but great results from GoodYear. Guess I'm lucky.
We've had bad luck on OEM Goodyear/Dunlop tires. The Dunlop SP Sport 4000 A/S on our Sienna failed prematurely with plenty of tread left. I was able to get the VSC on the Prius to kick in on a DRY road on no-Integritys.
We've always used Michelin here. Except on the beater which has TripleTreds and HydroEdges on it and a POS Mercedes we put Bridgestone on.
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