New Extended Drain Interval Mobil Oils

[darryld13]

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Originally posted by 69 Riv GS:

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These same comments surfaced with Mobil 1R which we have since seen via VOA is a very different formulation and not marketing hype.

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The only thing I've seen in M1R via VOA is a different additive package

The "typical properties" listed on it's PDS Racing 0w-30 would suggest it has exactly the same base oil composition as the standard 0w-30.
Please enlighten me!

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Compare the Mobil 1R VOA to the Mobil 1 SS 0-30 VOA and you do see a difference in TBN, SUS and Flash as well as big differences in the add pack, especially with regards to zinc (good bye API for M1R), calcium and boron. Perhaps the base oil is mighty similar on the PDSs because of an error on Mobil's web page?

[ January 11, 2005, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: darryld13 ]

 

[Audi Junkie]

Could this be the introduction of the SpectraSyn molecule? Similar adds in VOA, but more robust SpectraSyn base???

 

[Motorbike]

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Originally posted by dilettante:

Nice to meet ya - now you know me! I've been taking M1 0-40 to 15k miles for years now. Of course, my 7 quart sump is quite different from the average vehicle.

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Great oil there .

It's the factory fill for the 8.3L V-10 Viper and the new 6.1L Hemi for 2005 .

 

[Jay]

George, will these new oils replace the existing line, or supplement it?

 

[GeorgeCLS]

The new oils will supplement the current Drive Clean & Mobil 1's.. As someone previously posted, Mobil will have one very full spectrum of Mobil 1's......
George Morrison

 

[pepper32]

I really hope they maintain the 5w30. It has performed well in the cold.

 

[ex_MGB]

This is great news. I've come full circle on oil changes since joining BITOG. I now believe the Europeans and Amsoil have it right, extended drains are the way to go.

I will be buying this stuff and putting it in for one year or 15,000 miles in all my vehicles (I've got 6 right now with 6 drivers in the household).

Going to extended drains is a tectonic plate shift in automobile maintenance. In line with this our high schools would be performing a huge service if they included in driver's education courses a mandatory knowledge by the driver as to how to check all vehicle fluid levels and how to add fluid.

 

[segfault]

Are they claiming the 15k drain for any car? VW sludgemonster turbos? Sludgemonster Camrys? No filter change? And what grades will it come in?

Thanks for the info, George, and let us know when they plan to roll this oil out. Of course, I have a large stock of free-after-rebate Valvoline to use before I get this stuff!

 

[darryld13]

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Originally posted by G-Man II:
This may very well be a new formulation of Mobil 1, but when they have an oil that already meets 229.5 (Mobil 1 0w40) they don't NEED a new formulation to go 15,000 miles or 1 year. They already have it.

As for the other grades, 3MP's study showed that the A5 rated 5w30 could easily go 15,000 miles or 1 year.

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3MP's vehicle was newer and in much better shape than the typical out of warranty car Mobil is supposed to be targeting with the new oils. Yet the only way M1 made it past 12,000 was with a filter change and the only way he knew that was to meticulously test the oil every 1,000. If Mobil is going to guarantee that an oil will make it through a year/15,000 miles on a typical car under typical user maintenance attention, they need a stouter buffer than what M1 showed in MP3's test.

M1 10W30 wouldn't have lasted much longer than a conventional 7.5K OCI with 9c1's 125K 1995 LT1 Caprice which didn't use any oil and had the benefit of a double ARX cycle, LC and 132 additives. It makes sense to me that a different formulation was needed.

 

[Scott P]

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Originally posted by segfault:

Thanks for the info, George, and let us know when they plan to roll this oil out. Of course, I have a large stock of free-after-rebate Valvoline to use before I get this stuff!

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I plan on having a large stock of Mobil 1 SuperSyn from my Buy 3, Get 3 Free Pep Boys coupons.

 

[jsharp]

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Originally posted by darryld13:

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Originally posted by G-Man II:
This may very well be a new formulation of Mobil 1, but when they have an oil that already meets 229.5 (Mobil 1 0w40) they don't NEED a new formulation to go 15,000 miles or 1 year. They already have it.

As for the other grades, 3MP's study showed that the A5 rated 5w30 could easily go 15,000 miles or 1 year.

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3MP's vehicle was newer and in much better shape than the typical out of warranty car Mobil is supposed to be targeting with the new oils. Yet the only way M1 made it past 12,000 was with a filter change and the only way he knew that was to meticulously test the oil every 1,000. If Mobil is going to guarantee that an oil will make it through a year/15,000 miles on a typical car under typical user maintenance attention, they need a stouter buffer than what M1 showed in MP3's test.

M1 10W30 wouldn't have lasted much longer than a conventional 7.5K OCI with 9c1's 125K 1995 LT1 Caprice which didn't use any oil and had the benefit of a double ARX cycle, LC and 132 additives. It makes sense to me that a different formulation was needed.

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My limited experience with #132 tells me it might help the wear numbers slightly but has a detrimental effect on TBN.

I don't dissagree with your main point though...

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

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Originally posted by Scott P:

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Originally posted by segfault:

Thanks for the info, George, and let us know when they plan to roll this oil out. Of course, I have a large stock of free-after-rebate Valvoline to use before I get this stuff!

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I plan on having a large stock of Mobil 1 SuperSyn from my Buy 3, Get 3 Free Pep Boys coupons.

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You too?

Up to 5 cases and counting...gave a case of M1 5w-30 to my dad in his Sable.

Merry Christmas Dad!

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

It's great news to see Mobil fully harnessing the potential of it's M1 product line. BUT...
Will it thicken up like Amsoil does over the life of the OCI? I sure hope not...

 

[buster]

I called Mobil tech again (I know I know) and Jay was saying that they are going to be changes to the Mobil 1 line up. He did say it's months away, most likely spring and yes the formula is different.

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by buster:
George knows what he is talking about and delivers very good info.

My comments about what Mobil tech said were to confirm what George was saying and that YES they are a new formulation. George is correct.

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This may very well be a new formulation of Mobil 1, but when they have an oil that already meets 229.5 (Mobil 1 0w40) they don't NEED a new formulation to go 15,000 miles or 1 year. They already have it.

As for the other grades, 3MP's study showed that the A5 rated 5w30 could easily go 15,000 miles or 1 year.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

Some additional information regarding the new Mobil 1 Extended performance (15,000 miles or 1 year ODI). Additional additization: 36% more antiwear additives than regular Mobil 1: 37% more detergency than regular Mobil 1 and 50% more SuperSyn than regular Mobil 1..... And that special filters are not required.
Mobil 1 extended Performance oil will be available in 5W-30, 10W-30, 10-40 and 15W-40 viscosity grades in 6 one quart cases.
George Morrison, STLE CLS
AV Lubricants

 

[SSDude]

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Originally posted by GeorgeCLS:
Some additional information regarding the new Mobil 1 Extended performance (15,000 miles or 1 year ODI). Additional additization: 36% more antiwear additives than regular Mobil 1: 37% more detergency than regular Mobil 1 and 50% more SuperSyn than regular Mobil 1..... And that special filters are not required.
Mobil 1 extended Performance oil will be available in 5W-30, 10W-30, 10-40 and 15W-40 viscosity grades in 6 one quart cases.
George Morrison, STLE CLS
AV Lubricants

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Will these new oils be available on a mass market basis or will they only have limited distribution.

 

[T-Keith]

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Originally posted by GeorgeCLS:

Mobil 1 extended Performance oil will be available in 5W-30, 10W-30, 10-40 and 15W-40 viscosity grades in 6 one quart cases.
George Morrison, STLE CLS
AV Lubricants

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Interesting that they're using different OCIs then OEM but not weights. I was expecting a 0w30 or 0w40.

-T

 

[Grossomotto]

I'm with Jay. I don't think it's going to mean much to the average person changing their own oil. If you're buying and changing your own oil, your OCI is most likely well under 10K. Probably closer to 5K.

Most people that go 15K OCI are going to Jiffy Lube because they forget to change it. And they're not using Mobil 1. Just cheap dino.

 

[SilverGGA@Work]

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Originally posted by GeorgeCLS:
Mobil 1 extended Performance oil will be available in 5W-30, 10W-30, 10-40 and 15W-40 viscosity grades...

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Will they be API certified oils?