New Cars and Financial Ineptitude

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You are right but this mature guy really appreciated the seat warmers on the chilly days. A bit of heat on the lower back does wonders.

i generally prefer my work trucks to have heated and ventilated seats.My current truck is a Ram with heated seats and it’s really nice in the mornings. I spend so much time in it that it’s important to have a comfortable and functional space.

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Would be nice except for the fact that at some point these folks that cannot balance their spending with their income will need to be bailed out. Student Loan forgiveness, Social Security, we can go on and on. But of course the people that get forgiveness usually end up in the same spot a few years later. They will want MY money to address THEIR issues.
I don't think your theories are based on facts. Who exactly has been bailed out? Student loans haven't been forgiven and based on what you put into social security is what you get out although those who collect end up with more than what they put in. Those that can't afford the cars will go bankrupt and that's factored into the interest rate those people pay. Those who are good with credit get good rates, those who can't don't get it. I'm just somewhat bewildered about theoretical bailouts that haven't happened.
 
i generally prefer my work trucks to have heated and ventilated seats.My current truck is a Ram with heated seats and it’s really nice in the mornings. I spend so much time in it that it’s important to have a comfortable and functional space.


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Nope sir, I was laughing at your ridiculous statement that paying cash is a disservice and costing yourself more in the long run.
 
I can’t understand how/why people finance super expensive cars and pickup trucks when their incomes can’t sustain it. When the median income is $54k or something, how folks are buying $50k pickups is beyond me.

All I want is to not be affected by it, nor have to bail anyone out when the situation collapses. If I’m responsible with debt and credit cards and savings, I don’t want to get caught with somebody else’s bill, and worse, don’t want my kids to have a bill tomorrow due to somebody’s vanity today.

Yes!! Try almost $80,000 for a F250. I was blown away 1 week after getting a $4.00 per hour raise a coworker did just that. Came to work in a fully loaded truck. I knew he struggled to make the payment because his work habit and hours changed from 13 -14 hour a day clock milker to 14-15 hour per day and run the DOT hours out every week. I was on my way to work one day and saw him doing circles around the yard to get his hours.
 
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Yes!! Try almost $80,000 for a F250. I was blown away 1 week after getting a $4.00 per hour raise a coworker did just that. Came to work in a fully loaded truck. I knew he struggled to make the payment because his work habit and hours changed from 13 -14 hour a day clock milker to 14-15 hour per day and run the DOT hours out every week. I was on my way to work one day and saw him doing circles around the yard to get his hours.
Lots of people struggle to meet the payments. But that doesn't mean they get repossessed. If there's some down payment, then it's like a $750+ payment a month based on maybe getting a good deal at 70k, 10k down and low interest rates with a 7 year amortization. So if your guy is working 15 hours a day and making 4 dollars extra per hour, works out to about $300 a week. After taxes, yeah, that should cover him as long as the hours stay that way. Also while it seems like everyone is buying a new car, there's more than twice as many used cars sold per year as new cars. Probably just a matter of perception, the new cars stand out more than the old ones so it looks like there's lots more new ones that there really are. Plus when the styling doesn't really change for 3-4 years, how can you really tell if it's new that year or 2-3 years old?
 
I would not be so quick to judge every single person on the road in a newer car. Do you know how many annual miles they drive, how much they take home per paycheck, etc.? Yes I am sure there are some people well over their heads with their car payments, mortgage payments, etc. - how do you know for a fact from looking at someone driving a new car they are not stashing away 15% into their 401k but still making their $400/month car payment? You shouldn't - would you be offended if they assumed you were living paycheck to mouth because you drove a 20 year old Honda Civic because this is exactly how you look at someone in a newer car.

For example my parents get a new Honda Pilot pretty much every 5 years - in that 5 years they have piled 200k miles on. Same with my sister who gets a new Civic every 5 years or so, she gets close to quarter million on them then trades for a new one. They live very rural and road trip regularly to their lake house and my sister has a long commute on top of the rural living - not to mention this is 5 years of northern Minnesota winters as well. Should they deal with costly repairs to maintain a near quarter million mile Honda so they can APPEAR more financially savvy?

Yes there are a number of people that went over their heads on their cars, but there are probably just as many who are very financially secure. The financially secure ones are probably not worried as much (if at all) about your 20 year old Civic as you are about their 0-5 year old car.
 
I would not be so quick to judge every single person on the road in a newer car. Do you know how many annual miles they drive, how much they take home per paycheck, etc.? Yes I am sure there are some people well over their heads with their car payments, mortgage payments, etc. - how do you know for a fact from looking at someone driving a new car they are not stashing away 15% into their 401k but still making their $400/month car payment? You shouldn't - would you be offended if they assumed you were living paycheck to mouth because you drove a 20 year old Honda Civic because this is exactly how you look at someone in a newer car.

For example my parents get a new Honda Pilot pretty much every 5 years - in that 5 years they have piled 200k miles on. Same with my sister who gets a new Civic every 5 years or so, she gets close to quarter million on them then trades for a new one. They live very rural and road trip regularly to their lake house and my sister has a long commute on top of the rural living - not to mention this is 5 years of northern Minnesota winters as well. Should they deal with costly repairs to maintain a near quarter million mile Honda so they can APPEAR more financially savvy?

Yes there are a number of people that went over their heads on their cars, but there are probably just as many who are very financially secure. The financially secure ones are probably not worried as much (if at all) about your 20 year old Civic as you are about their 0-5 year old car.


This is a great comment. Being in a rural area, dependability and reliability are very important. Nobody wants to break down on a two lane road in the winter twenty miles from town.

I would say that your family examples are signs of prudent ownership.
 
Glad to know you know others situations.
I drive a 2002 F150. No loan on it ever. Bought from cousin with blown engine and paid cash for replacement.
I also ride a 1994 Goldwing, paid cash.
Wife drives a "used" 2018 Santa Fe. Paid cash. 9 months old and 10,000 miles when purchased
Mom has a 2018 Soul, Paid Cash, used money from sale of her home and needed something to replace her 14 year old vehicle having major issues.
Daughters xB was financed (bought new for my wife), but was @ 0.9% with 1/2 down and paid off in less than 2 years.

I guess I am vain, yet frugal since I have both new and old?
 
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I borrowed money to buy my Tundra. I pay about $875/month.

Would that be judged financially inept?

I’ll argue that it wasn’t, but you would have to know a lot more about me before you can judge my degree of ineptitude....
 
My father always bought new cars since before I was born, but he kept them for 10 years at least. I never caught on to his habit of buying new cars. I am adverse to debt. I had 30k of student loans, and had to pay that off as soon as I could. I know people who buy new cars who are good with money, but I believe they are more the exception, than the rule. Does it affect me? Not really, but I get disappointed when close friends make financially stupid decisions.

I have a friend who is trying to get an education to better his life. He has had nothing but minimum wage jobs. He had a Saturn SL that was virtually trouble free for the 4 years he owned it, but the AC went out. He lives in Florida. Instead of fixing the AC, he bought a 10k 2015 Nissan Versa, with CVT. I lamented the news when he told me. Why would he add additional burden of debt when school is enough burden as it is? Yes, I can't control his decisions, but I am sure his decision is not an uncommon one. SAVE the money first, than if you have the means, buy a nice car if you can afford it!
 
Does it affect me? Not really, but I get disappointed when close friends make financially stupid decisions.

Why would he add additional burden of debt when school is enough burden as it is? Yes, I can't control his decisions, but I am sure his decision is not an uncommon one. SAVE the money first, than if you have the means, buy a nice car if you can afford it!

Do your own thing, and stop worrying about others. If they ask for advice, give it, and don't be upset if the don't follow it. Otherwise, manage yourself and don't concern yourself with how others handle their affairs.
 
We paid cash for our last new car 8 years ago. In hindsight, might it be better to get a very low loan, even 0%, and keep the money in something making 3% or better interest? Comments?
You know, my grandparents were from the depression era generation. They always paid cash for their cars and they were not wealthy. Grandpa was a car mechanic all his life. They were VERY frugal and always steered clear of any debt. I think its because they were chastened by watching so many of their friends suffer greatly in the 1930's when there was so much economic pain. Your idea of making money with the funds you don't spend on the car at 0% has a lot of merit. But I suspect my grandparents were of the mindset that if they paid cash, they would not the worry about the temptation to spend that money on something else. AND, if they found themselves in a financial pinch, they would not have to worry about any car payments. They would buy a new car every 10 years after saving up for it. (they did this with everything the purchased). Another consideration is that back then (50 years ago), Amercian cars could be ordered with far more options A-La-Cart and they had lots of deletion choices we no longer have (thanks Honda). You did not have to take options you did not want to get the ones you did back then. That might explain at least in part why cars cost so much today adjusted for inflation. His 1969 Impala was ordered with a V8, Automatic, and NOTHING else!! And perhaps the most impressive thing of all is not just that they were financially responsible and conservative when making a car purchase, but how in the heck they kept cars for 10 years running on the ancient (by today's standards) motor oil tech, I will never know. I recall peering into one of their cars as a child and the sludge was so bad, it looked like someone was mixing brownies down in there. And he changed the oil religiously!! So a ten year old car back then was OLD!!
 
Debt scares the xxxx outta me.

Same here. I consider debt to be toxic. I haven't borrowed anything in decades, live below my means, and it's a great feeling not to owe a dime to anyone. What others do of course is up to them - this works for me but that doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
 
Same here. I consider debt to be toxic. I haven't borrowed anything in decades, live below my means, and it's a great feeling not to owe a dime to anyone. What others do of course is up to them - this works for me but that doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I had a lotta problems with alcohol for the 1st half of my life. When I finally cleaned up, I felt it was too late for me; I could never amount to much and could certainly never buy my own home. Through a lot of work and even more luck I have paid off my home in a great part of town. It is a great feeling. I am one of the lucky ones, for sure. And I know it.
 
There's two sides to the coin and a happy medium. While people struggle with money and debt there are also many that save and save and never get to enjoy the fruits of their labors. People that don't spend and die wealthy. The money will just pass on to someone else to spend it.
 
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So... if you spent above your means on a car/truck and haven't bothered to adequately fund your future retirement because of it, where does that leave you when you retire if you end up getting govt welfare?
 
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