NEW Bosch #3330 (CUT OPEN)

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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Anything cardboard or plastic is [censored]. I don't even like frams crummy plastic relief valves. Talk about cost cutting [censored].


Wrong once again ... it's not plastic.


It's "Ultra" plastic that can withstand high temperatures, right. Just kidding
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Anything cardboard or plastic is [censored]. I don't even like frams crummy plastic relief valves. Talk about cost cutting [censored].


Wrong once again ... it's not plastic.


It's "Ultra" plastic that can withstand high temperatures. Just kidding
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It's nylon that can withstand high temperatures.
 
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
In many of your past posts, you tend to overlook the "or" in the use statement--which is "Purolator PureONE oil filters should be replaced every 3,000 miles or 3 months depending on the driving conditions - OR unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer." This means if Ford, GM, Dodge, etc. has a 5K or 7.5K OCI listed in the OM, the P1 can be used for that long WITH Purolator's blessing.

That's worth repeating, since it always gets swept under the rug, including in this thread. If Purolator cannot make a filter to run the entire OEM OCI or doesn't think that a specific filter can run a given OEM OCI, then it should not specify that filter for that application.

Hastings doesn't have 6 lines of filters, all with different mileage limits. Neither does Wix. Denso and AC don't either. If you specify a filter for an application, it better be able to handle that application, which includes specified oil viscosity, specified OCI, and cold winters.

If the Classic or even the P1 and Bosch Premium cannot handle more than a 3000 mile or 5000 mile OCI, shut the lines down, save for the FL1A and Chevy small block applications. Then again, Wix was handling 6000 mile OCIs 30 years ago. Is Purolator working backwards?
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Is Purolator working backwards?


I would say yes if they say their oil filters are really only good for 3K or less. That's pretty lame.
 
Is Bosch made by Purolator? Also, some of you guys do not seem very friendly towards each other. Are you guys related or something?
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: jk_636
I maintain the point that it was a combination of a small (one year or so) bad production run and people using these filters in ways they were not designed to be used.
Qualify the statement I have bolded in your post--you are essentially saying that every person who had a torn filter was misusing it and the odds of that are near ZERO. The P1 that tore in three places that I used was certainly not used in a way that it was not designed to be. Purolator has a use statement that contains an "or" in it and this means that it can be used as described on either side of the "or" if applicable.

In many of your past posts, you tend to overlook the "or" in the use statement--which is "Purolator PureONE oil filters should be replaced every 3,000 miles or 3 months depending on the driving conditions - OR unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer." This means if Ford, GM, Dodge, etc. has a 5K or 7.5K OCI listed in the OM, the P1 can be used for that long WITH Purolator's blessing.


What I meant was that some people use them in ways not intended. For example, using them as paper weights, wearing them as hats, using classics for 10k miles, you know things like that.
Sorry JK! As humorous as part of your post may be, it simply does not wash. Purolator classics have the same use statement as P1s. They make a filter for my 2014 Explorer which has a 10K OCI (according to the iOLM) and so since the "unless otherwise specified by the vehicle's manufacturer" statement applies, then the classic should be able to be used for that long. Since it appears that it cannot without tearing (based upon anecdotal information) Purolator should pull this filter from the market.
 
Like that movie Groundhog Day
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I would like for Purolator to get their stuff straightened out. A problem can't be fixed unless acknowledged. Like today I made mention of medications being left in our machine that was the patients being discharged. These medications are left behind and could be given to a wrong patient who happens to be assigned to that room. Or a staff member could take them ... No good. I was basically ignored by a higher up. Little this person know.... We've already had an incident. And this person doesn't know what I know happened. I didn't tell them either. Can't fix something unacknowledged. Same with Purolator.
 
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.....I would like for Purolator to get their stuff straightened out. A problem can't be fixed unless acknowledged....

Under Mann&Hummel's seeming lackluster ownership, strickly using bitog anecdotes and subsequent M&H responses, M&H is calling the shots on all procedures and policies.

That said, as can be seen with the recent Mobil 1 defect/failure, at least as far as filter dissection warranty policy goes, that 'specific' response is standard policy across the industry.

One would hope Mann&Hummel would see fit at some point to put the money and resources into QC/QA at Puro US. Hopefully that is happening, but only Mann knows that.

As regards first my post here, as far as the seam pleat spacing specifically, said it didn't look too bad. IMO, looks like it would have held up fine for a standard manufacturers vehicle manufacturers oci/fci. Obviously only a post use inspection would know for sure. But as BP's are only regularly available at AZ and rarely reduced in price/on sale, tear anecdotes aside, not a filter I would generally look to purchase/use.
 
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Is Bosch made by Purolator?


Yes. In fact Bosch used to own 50% of Purolator until 2013 when they sold their stake to Mann. However, Mann/Purolator still makes the Bosch filters.

Bosch Premium filters (four-digit part numbers starting with 3xxx) are reboxed P1.

Bosch Workshop filters (7xxxxWS) are reboxed Classics.

Bosch Long Life (silver can, L3xxx) are reboxed Purolator Synthetic.
 
Originally Posted By: car51
Raysteng: look at pic #5&7 and then decide. I don't like that spacing and filter media between end caps seems "shrunk". My analysis says "NO THANKS"


I have seen the wide spacing of the pleats on either side of the crimped/glued please on my OEM toyota filters too. I believe the wide pleats on either sides of the where the pleats end are intentional and not a manufacturing defect like many people seem to think. The wide pleats effectively squeeze in, or pinch in the where the ends are glued/crimped together.
I have seen this now on perfectly spaced MANN filters for my bmw, where the only pleats that were wider, were right next to the end pleats. Same with hastings, and fram toughguards filters, where the pleats were perfectly spaced throughout except for the 2 pleats directly on the outside of where the 2 pleat ends were joined.
 
People say they like pictures and they are worth a thousand words. Here is a Toyota 90915-yzzf2 element in and out at the seam area. They glue the seam on the inside of the center tube, the outer pleats are pressed together. The evenness speaks for itself:

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Except that's a Toyota filter and not a Bosch filter. And, I bet it's made in China, too. The Bosch filter pictures earlier in this thread showed the usual uneven pleats and gap.
 
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