New Amsoil GF-4 25k 10w-30 (ATM)

Doug Hillary · Sep 9, 2005

Hi,
Tim - I appreciate your viewpoint!
Sorry! But from mine I ain't bashing!

Pablo - sorry about your face!

Internet sure sounds better than Gornet or Amatuzionet eh?

The API Standards are the API's Standards and they were "the level playing field" Internationally before Amsoil scorched the earth
If Amsoil has such a scant regard for them why in ever do they use them in their Marketing and on their labels?

For us friendly non Americans there are of course more democratic Quality Standards, from ACEA and the Vehicle/Engine makers too
Is Amsoil's take on these the same as for the API's Standards???

msparks - keep smiling my friend, and keep selling a good product - Amsoil. The others all need your professional competition!!!

Doug

Pablo · Sep 9, 2005

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before Amsoil scorched the earth

too funny!

427Z06 · Sep 9, 2005

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Originally posted by Doug Hillary:
The API Standards are the API's Standards and they were "the level playing field" Internationally before Amsoil scorched the earth
If Amsoil has such a scant regard for them why in ever do they use them in their Marketing and on their labels?

I'm with Doug on this one. Most American engine manufacturers have been specifying the API low-bar for many years now. American/Japanese and ILSAC currently.

http://www.gm.com/company/gmability...y_emissions/emissions/oil_upgrade_080204.html

With Amsoil you get testing certified by picture of Joe Isuzu with the words "Trust Me" on it.

Pablo · Sep 9, 2005

Actually not true 427Z06 - the oils exceed the standards. If you want the standards so much, you can buy the XL line, not Joe Isuzu.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/xlt.aspx

427Z06 · Sep 9, 2005

Pablo, I was all set to buy some and then I noticed it's only good for 7,500-mile/6-month oil change intervals. Heck I can get the Mobil EP good for 15,000-mile/1-year oil change intervals for less than that at Walmart.

Pablo · Sep 9, 2005

"or longer where stated by vehicle manufacturers or indicated by electronic oil life monitoring systems."

427Z06 · Sep 10, 2005

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Originally posted by Pablo:
"or longer where stated by vehicle manufacturers or indicated by electronic oil life monitoring systems."

Again, who is certifying this? Joe Isuzu?

Pablo · Sep 10, 2005

API. The XL line and the diesel blend oils are 100% API. And you still get the Amsoil warranty. Who is "certifying" your oil?

Can you please stop it with the Joe Isuzu? Kind of stupid, IMHO.

427Z06 · Sep 10, 2005

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Originally posted by Pablo:
API. The XL line and the diesel blend oils are 100% API. And you still get the Amsoil warranty.

If the goal is to use a API certified oil, why spend twice as much for it?

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Originally posted by Pablo:
Who is "certifying" your oil?

That what the "wink" was for. With both of the oils mentioned, anything beyond what the engine manufacturers recommend, you're trusting the oil blender did the appropriate testing to come up with their OCI recommendation, backed by their warranty. Further "15,000 miles or 1 year", is a little more precise than "7,500-mile/6-month oil change intervals or longer where stated by vehicle manufacturers or indicated by electronic oil life monitoring systems".

quote:

Originally posted by Pablo:
Can you please stop it with the Joe Isuzu? Kind of stupid, IMHO.

Just as stupid as some of your posts, IMHO.

Pablo · Sep 10, 2005

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If the goal is to use a API certified oil, why spend twice as much for it?

$3.95/qt is not twice as much as M1. Most places I see M1 for over $5 quart. So Amsoil is actually cheaper. Funny that the very small sample size OCI's of Group III Amsoil XL line are showing better wear numbers than the new M1's.

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With both of the oils mentioned, anything beyond what the engine manufacturers recommend, you're trusting the oil blender did the appropriate testing to come up with their OCI recommendation, backed by their warranty. Further "15,000 miles or 1 year", is a little more precise than "7,500-mile/6-month oil change intervals or longer where stated by vehicle manufacturers or indicated by electronic oil life monitoring systems".

Huh? Why is it LESS precise? Amsoil is simply saying that you can use the oil under vehicle warranty if the mfr has a longer recommended OCI than 7500 miles/6 months. After all it is API certified and if the car mfr say 10K OCI or whatever, then he'll need to stand behind it. I'll say you got the Amsoil Hatred Bug really bad.

427Z06 · Sep 10, 2005

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Originally posted by Pablo:

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If the goal is to use a API certified oil, why spend twice as much for it?

Click to expand...

$3.95/qt is not twice as much as M1. Most places I see M1 for over $5 quart. So Amsoil is actually cheaper. Funny that the very small sample size OCI's of Group III Amsoil XL line are showing better wear numbers than the new M1's.

Did I say M1?

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Originally posted by Pablo:

quote:

With both of the oils mentioned, anything beyond what the engine manufacturers recommend, you're trusting the oil blender did the appropriate testing to come up with their OCI recommendation, backed by their warranty. Further "15,000 miles or 1 year", is a little more precise than "7,500-mile/6-month oil change intervals or longer where stated by vehicle manufacturers or indicated by electronic oil life monitoring systems".

Click to expand...

Huh? Why is it LESS precise? Amsoil is simply saying that you can use the oil under vehicle warranty if the mfr has a longer recommended OCI than 7500 miles/6 months. After all it is API certified and if the car mfr say 10K OCI or whatever, then he'll need to stand behind it.

I can't help you if you can't distinguish between:

"15,000 miles or 1 year"

and

"7,500-mile/6-month oil change intervals or longer where stated by vehicle manufacturers or indicated by electronic oil life monitoring systems"

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I'll say you got the Amsoil Hatred Bug really bad.

This seems to be the fall-back position of paranoid Amsoil supporters. As soon as someone points out some inconsistencies with Amsoil's claims, documentation, or actual testing , that person automatically has the "Amsoil Hatred Bug". You're welcomed to go back through all of my 3,000+ posts and find one where I've bashed Amsoil products out of "hatred".

Pablo · Sep 10, 2005

Yes I substituted "M1" for "Mobil EP" - sorry.

Who said I couldn't distinguish? Your words not mine. It's 180° from the (not your) usual argument - Amsoil uses 25K/1 year (or whatever) and everyone says "not enough specificity". So then Amsoil adds a few more words and now you claim it's lacking precision! Amazing.

I don't mind questioning claims, docs, or testing. I do mind the double standard. How many people are now challenging M1's 15K mile claim, for example? How many people challenge Redline on API? How many folks challenge the rediculous no sludge oil commercials on TV?

Gary Allan · Sep 10, 2005

Meaggie says:

Breath in ...breath out ....breath in ...breath out......in.....out...

Enhance calm ..damyouson(s)

NewC6 · Sep 10, 2005

Don't do battle with these types Pablo, It isn't worth it. How do I know this? The same way you do, been there, done that. You have been around and your integrity is not in question with most of the board members. Let it go.

427Z06 · Sep 10, 2005

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Originally posted by Pablo:
Yes I substituted "M1" for "Mobil EP" - sorry.

OK. Cool.

quote:

Originally posted by Pablo:
Who said I couldn't distinguish? Your words not mine. It's 180° from the (not your) usual argument - Amsoil uses 25K/1 year (or whatever) and everyone says "not enough specificity". So then Amsoil adds a few more words and now you claim it's lacking precision! Amazing.

I think you and I are are talking past each other on this one. ATM, XL, API certification, SM/GF-4 M1, EP M1, any old SM/GF-4, are getting garbled together. So quick and dirty:

Warranty concerns, Manufacturing recommeded OCIs or OLM: Any SM/GF-4 in the approriate grade.

Want to feel more protected in the same scenario above: Amsoil XL, M1 SM/GF-4, etc, etc, etc.

No warranty concerns: buy $25/qt oil if it makes you sleep better at night.

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I don't mind questioning claims, docs, or testing. I do mind the double standard. How many people are now challenging M1's 15K mile claim, for example? How many people challenge Redline on API? How many folks challenge the rediculous no sludge oil commercials on TV?

Mobil's claim was brought up in another thread. Someone already quoted the wishy-washy part of Mobil's warranty. And this thread started as a discussion about a new Amsoil formulation and drifted as usual.

Further, as I mentioned before, I put a wink in my Mobil EP post because I feel both Mobil and Amsoil pull this number out of you know where for marketing purposes. Both are guilty, IMHO. And if I think Mobil is doing something shady, I usually have some choice words for them too.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000275#000003

So.......if I managed to get your panties in a bind because I wasn't clear in some of my posts, sorry. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

427Z06 · Sep 10, 2005

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Originally posted by NewC6:
Don't do battle with these types Pablo, It isn't worth it. How do I know this? The same way you do, been there, done that. You have been around and your integrity is not in question with most of the board members. Let it go.

So let me guess, you re-registered with a new handle because you're a man of your words?

Pablo · Sep 10, 2005

I'm cool and breathing again. Panties are loosened up.

quote:

quote:Originally posted by NewC6:
Don't do battle with these types Pablo, It isn't worth it. How do I know this? The same way you do, been there, done that. You have been around and your integrity is not in question with most of the board members. Let it go.

So let me guess, you re-registered with a new handle because you're a man of your words?
[LOL!]

I am not nor have I ever been NewC6 (thanks for my back though

) I didn't think my integrity was in question, per se - glad I'm not Al

(but I wouldn't mind his cash)

427Z06 · Sep 10, 2005

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I am not nor have I ever been NewC6 (thanks for my back though

) I didn't think my integrity was in question, per se - glad I'm not Al

(but I wouldn't mind his cash)

Pablo, that wasn't meant for you. I know you wouldn't do something like that.

I just dislike people taking sides personally without contributing to the debate intellectually.
Kinda' cowardly in my book.

Gary Allan · Sep 10, 2005

Okay ..we're all friends again ..but let's pick up another day....

New Amsoil GF-4 25k 10w-30 (ATM)

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