New Amsoil European Viscosities

[edyvw]

Amsoil is just saying what the manufacturers refuse to do for whatever reason; that mid SAPS oils are backward compatible with full SAPS specs. I think most of us believe that Porsche C40 oils are suitable for A40 applications but VW/Porsche refuses to back-spec.

Manufacturers can do whatever they think it is appropriate. It is their approval. Amsoil nowhere states that they THINK this is tge way to go. They just throw there approvals making people believe that that is appropriate oil for their vehicle.

 

[edyvw]

That's if they even bother getting them approved. That's why Amsoil resorts to their marketing language they pioneered in the industry.

Yep. 100%.

 

[Pablo]

SA is not only determinant. But, you guys can make me fool by actually approving oil for all these specifications.
Until then, yeah, scam.

What?

Anyway, you don’t know. So basically you are entitled to your opinion and that is about it.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

What?

Anyway, you don’t know. So basically you are entitled to your opinion and that is about it.

Even if he did know Amsoil’s SA%, he is not privy to all of the testing and results that led to each mfr spec being set where it is…

 

[edyvw]

What?

Anyway, you don’t know. So basically you are entitled to your opinion and that is about it.

What is on the bottle other than opinion?
Is it approved oil?

 

[edyvw]

Even if he did know Amsoil’s SA%, he is not privy to all of the testing and results that led to each mfr spec being set where it is…

It is not approved oil. That is why approvals are introduced in the first place. Amsoil can throw whatever they want on the bottle. Unless it is approved they can claim whatever they want, and others can call it what it is: a scam to sell to gullible customers.
They can make us all wrong by actually approving oil. They have SOME oils approved, which means that they see value in it.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

It is not approved oil. That is why approvals are introduced in the first place. Amsoil can throw whatever they want on the bottle. Unless it is approved they can claim whatever they want, and others can call it what it is: a scam to sell to gullible customers.
They can make us all wrong by actually approving oil. They have SOME oils approved, which means that they see value in it.

Never said Amsoil was approved. Original statement stands, however.

Now do Motul.

 

[edyvw]

Never said Amsoil was approved. Original statement stands, however.

Now do Motul.

Your original statement is absolutely ridiculous. What does it mean? That Amsoil is the only blender that has oil that is meeting all these specifications? Considering how Amsoil does marketing, they would blast that everywhere.
Or, AGAIN, they send samples for approval and no one has to guess anything. The point why approvals were introduced in the beginning of 90’s.
Nothing but scam.

Motul has oils APPROVED!

 

[Pablo]

What is on the bottle other than opinion?
Is it approved oil?

Your rhetorical question aside, Amsoil stands well above your opinion.

Nothing but "scam"??

Your opinion seems to be Amsoil will damage people's engines since you resort to name calling. You have no proof of this, so it's a pretty worthless opinion.

 

[edyvw]

Your rhetorical question aside, Amsoil stands well above your opinion.

Nothing but "scam"??

Your opinion seems to be Amsoil will damage people's engines since you resort to name calling. You have no proof of this, so it's a pretty worthless opinion.

Amsoil doesn’t have a proof that their oil actually is in parameters of what they state. That is their opinion.
Why would Amsoil stand above me? It is their opinion that their oil is in parameters of these approvals, NOT a fact. Fact would be if Amsoil gets approvals.
We don’t know whether it would damage engines. That is the point of approvals.
Besides that, they created miracle oil that somehow is within paramaters of approvals that are on opposite side of spectrum. So the whole exercise is selling snake oil.
How do you make sure people don’t think that? You get approvals.
So, until than, scam, snake oil, choose the name.

 

[Zee09]

How come the Europeans go overboard on oil approvals and don't have approvals for filtration? (Emissions aside)

What good is any oil if the filtration is suspect? The oil filter approval licensing would be another revenue stream for them. Recommend is not approved. Are they simply in cahoots with big oil?

 

[drtyler]

Your rhetorical question aside, Amsoil stands well above your opinion.

Nothing but "scam"??

Your opinion seems to be Amsoil will damage people's engines since you resort to name calling. You have no proof of this, so it's a pretty worthless opinion.

Assuming they are using an additive package for 504/507, Amsoil stating that the 0W-30 is suitable for use in cars that require BMW LL-01FE isn’t much of a stretch.

The TBN is not quite as high as the BMW spec, but its close and the oil may have good TBN retention. I would like to think either Amsoil and/or the additive supplier has tested these limits to know. They are reputable enough not to make blind claims that could expose them to failed engines.

 

[drtyler]

How come the Europeans go overboard on oil approvals and don't have approvals for filtration? (Emissions aside)

What good is any oil if the filtration is suspect? The oil filter approval licensing would be another revenue stream for them. Recommend is not approved. Are they simply in cahoots with big oil?

They probably have proof that 50% efficiency at 20 microns is good enough for their needs.

 

[Zee09]

They probably have proof that 50% efficiency at 20 microns is good enough for their needs.

But do they have the approvals

 

[buster]

Assuming they are using an additive package for 504/507, Amsoil stating that the 0W-30 is suitable for use in cars that require BMW LL-01FE isn’t much of a stretch.

The TBN is not quite as high as the BMW spec, but its close and the oil may have good TBN retention. I would like to think either Amsoil and/or the additive supplier has tested these limits to know. They are reputable enough not to make blind claims that could expose them to failed engines.

That’s what I’m thinking.

 

[OVERKILL]

Motul has oils APPROVED!

To be fair, so does AMSOIL:

 

[SynOilFan]

I have a case of the 0w-30 on order. Will post a VOA soon.

 

[edyvw]

To be fair, so does AMSOIL:
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Yes, I stated that already. So, they see value in it. Interestingly, their oils usually have one approval and other approvals are “meets and exceeds.”

 

[edyvw]

Assuming they are using an additive package for 504/507, Amsoil stating that the 0W-30 is suitable for use in cars that require BMW LL-01FE isn’t much of a stretch.

The TBN is not quite as high as the BMW spec, but its close and the oil may have good TBN retention. I would like to think either Amsoil and/or the additive supplier has tested these limits to know. They are reputable enough not to make blind claims that could expose them to failed engines.

True. However, what about MB229.51/52 etc. They threw a lot of approvals that are contrary to each other. In practice, it might not matter. But their marketing is absolutely shameless.

 

[OVERKILL]

Yes, I stated that already. So, they see value in it. Interestingly, their oils usually have one approval and other approvals are “meets and exceeds.”

Must have missed it in your rantings

Of the three oils with approvals, only one of them has a single manufacturer's approvals, the other two have approvals from 3 and 2 different OEM's respectively, so I don't think it's fair to claim they usually only have one approval, that strikes me as unnecessary, and intentionally inflammatory, hyperbole.