Looks like another classic stall / VMC roll. A lot like that King Air that augered into that hanger in Texas a while back.
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Yeah. Pilot error.
To the best of my knowledge, there have been quite a few ATR 72 crashes and incidents. With many hundreds of lives lost. In a general sense, turboprops don't have the same safety record as jets. I believe at least some part of that is crew related, another aspect is powerplant complexity (gearbox and prop) and of course, the unfavorable operational altitudes of turboprops (they fly in the turbulence, icing, weather etc) . Looks to me like an unnecessary stall spin.
I regularly read articles that claim a perfectly fine safety record,,,, from Wiki: The ATR 72 has been involved in 66 aviation accidents and incidents, including 40 hull losses, resulting in 470 fatalities
I regularly read articles that claim a perfectly fine safety record,,,, from Wiki: The ATR 72 has been involved in 66 aviation accidents and incidents, including 40 hull losses, resulting in 470 fatalities
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I think a lot of them were icing conditions related. The ATR is BAD in ice. So much so, I believe it was American Airlines regional carrier, (American Eagle), moved most all of their ATR's to warmer climates. This crash obviously didn't involve ice, and was pilot error.
The King Air was our go-to plane while flying in the Arctic. I was always amazed at how old the fuselage was for some of them. They were in production from 1964 to 2021. Maybe the old ones will get banned in California.
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Fantastic airplane.
35,000 max ceiling.
Used to fly them in the Arctic as far north as Alert ( 82 north ) with surface temps as low as -45 C ( no windchill ).
It's not uncommon in a twin if one engine fails.
Just speculation here but this is a new airport that was just inaugurated. Looking at a map I wonder if the approach was headed for the old airport and they realized at the last minute that they had to change for the new one?
The new airport is clearly visible on the map below. The old airport is next to the words Mustang Chok.
https://maps.apple.com/?address=Pok...ll=28.226228,83.988957&lsp=6489&q=Pokhara&t=h
i don’t think so. They were doing a circle pattern. They came in from the east and flew an anti clockwise pattern that at the end just happens to put them over the old airfield. Where they crashed is exactly due west of 12.
I just watched an episode of Mayday involving an ATR 72. Ran out of fuel over the ocean. An airframe tech put in the fuel gauge for a 42 so they thought they had 900 kg of fuel when they actually had zero.
Not at all. Many aircraft will stall one wing before the other in ideal conditions. Add in some other factors, like a dead engine, or a turn (especially an uncoordinated turn) (where the outside wing has slightly faster airspeed) and the Stall-Spin is norm. As always, there are well known ways to avoid a stall in the pattern or on approach.
Get too slow, and the P factor can roll the plane over. Lose an engine, get slow and the same thing happens, as in that Taiwan video.
The ATR is a good airplane but it tends to be flown by inexperienced crews.
So, it has crashed at a relatively high rate.
Shutting down the wrong engine, for example. That airplane, flown correctly, would have been fine. But a poor crew response to the situation resulted in a loss of all on board.
So, it has crashed at a relatively high rate.
Shutting down the wrong engine, for example. That airplane, flown correctly, would have been fine. But a poor crew response to the situation resulted in a loss of all on board.
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Experience versus weak pilots.
One thing in common with the two fatal crashes ( Taiwan and Buffalo ) was the fact they both had weak Captains.
Even strong pilots can make fatal mistakes ( anyone who watches “mayday” already knows this ) but the chances are FAR greater when an airline lets a pilot with a very weak training history be a pilot and even more so for a Captain.
I do not like being judgemental ( weak pilots ) but I have to be honest.
There are some weak experienced pilots out there like the Captain of the ATR 42 who was a former airforce pilot.
Notice in the article how a major airline would not keep the pilot but a regional airline kept and promoted him?
Read the article below.
https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/spurious-autofeather/
One thing in common with the two fatal crashes ( Taiwan and Buffalo ) was the fact they both had weak Captains.
Even strong pilots can make fatal mistakes ( anyone who watches “mayday” already knows this ) but the chances are FAR greater when an airline lets a pilot with a very weak training history be a pilot and even more so for a Captain.
I do not like being judgemental ( weak pilots ) but I have to be honest.
There are some weak experienced pilots out there like the Captain of the ATR 42 who was a former airforce pilot.
Notice in the article how a major airline would not keep the pilot but a regional airline kept and promoted him?
Read the article below.
https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/spurious-autofeather/
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Regionals do more take off and landings.
Of coarse, less experienced pilots is a contributing factor.
I think It’s harder to upgrade to Captain with a major airline than most ( not all ) regionals.
http://accidentstats.airbus.com/statistics/accident-by-flight-phase
Of coarse, less experienced pilots is a contributing factor.
I think It’s harder to upgrade to Captain with a major airline than most ( not all ) regionals.
http://accidentstats.airbus.com/statistics/accident-by-flight-phase
Sir: I’m sure you and my stepfather can both agree that USA has some of the best trained pilots.
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Also, early ATR 72 had several incidents including ATR 42 fuel gauges.
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