Neighbor got car jacked.

[Dave Hess]

I always try to gas up in nicer neighborhoods, not sketchy neighborhoods to save $3 on gas.

Yes crime can happen anywhere.

Situational awareness is very important at a gas station or grocery store parking lot.

 

[edyvw]

It is interesting that everyone thinks that if they have a gun, they will just shoot their way out of situation.
You know, there is a kid(s) in my car, but hey, instead of deescalation, why not getting into gun fight and risk lives of my kids, myself, other bystanders because??
Confidence and stupidity is really deadly.

 

[incognito_2u]

Good question, I only know a few retired LE that carry, and they go anywhere in the state. Other than that I honestly don't know. NY and CA are very tough when it comes to carrying a handgun.

Retired NYC LEO here. I conceal carry all the time because of situations like this. Especially when traveling into the epicenter of lawlessness, also know as the 5 Boros’s of NYC. I’m licensed and keep up my LEOSA/HR-218 certs yearly. I can lawfully carry even where other CCW holders can’t. Including “Gun-free” zones. (The stupidest zone ever created on earth)
“Better to have and not need, than to need and not have”
I apologize for injecting my personal feelings into this thread……we now return to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[ATex7239]

Another reason for concealed carry.

Call me crazy but my carry weapon is to save life not take it. I would not shoot someone over a vehicle.

Based on the story this was a strong armed robbery (ie, hand-to-hand with no weapons involved.) This seems more like a reason for Jiu Jitsu/Wrestling training and better situation awareness.

 

[incognito_2u]

It is interesting that everyone thinks that if they have a gun, they will just shoot their way out of situation.

First and foremost, please don’t take this as an attack on your statement.
I am a true believer of the First amendment, as well as the Second……..that being said…………
Ummmmm, no.
I carry a weapon to protect the lives of myself and my loved ones. NEVER would I use a weapon to “Shoot my way out of a situation”!
My weapon is solely a defensive device that would not even be displayed unless the person on the other side levels their weapon in my direction (hence, concealed)…….then, and only then, would I open up the wrath of our Lord on that individual.
God have Mercy on that man…………

 

[Doc8404]

Good question, I only know a few retired LE that carry, and they go anywhere in the state. Other than that I honestly don't know. NY and CA are very tough when it comes to carrying a handgun.

Nah.
Outside NYC, it isn’t as bad as many make it sound (to get a pistol permit, all of which are concealed carry).

 

[4WD]

Since it's california, I imagine the gas station attendant will be charged with assault on the victim (carjacker). Poor boy was just trying to get ahead, and he could have been injured by the mean attendant while doing so...

He was going to start college in the Fall …

 

[atikovi]

Call me crazy but my carry weapon is to save life not take it. I would not shoot someone over a vehicle.

Based on the story this was a strong armed robbery (ie, hand-to-hand with no weapons involved.) This seems more like a reason for Jiu Jitsu/Wrestling training and better situation awareness.

Also, in many states, if you shoot someone in these circumstances, chances are, YOU will be the one going to jail. And he will hire a lawyer and sue you.

 

[c502cid]

It is interesting that everyone thinks that if they have a gun, they will just shoot their way out of situation.
You know, there is a kid(s) in my car, but hey, instead of deescalation, why not getting into gun fight and risk lives of my kids, myself, other bystanders because??
Confidence and stupidity is really deadly.

And I just read something wise a minute or two ago:

You know that: "Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups."

 

[edyvw]

First and foremost, please don’t take this as an attack on your statement.
I am a true believer of the First amendment, as well as the Second……..that being said…………
Ummmmm, no.
I carry a weapon to protect the lives of myself and my loved ones. NEVER would I use a weapon to “Shoot my way out of a situation”!
My weapon is solely a defensive device that would not even be displayed unless the person on the other side levels their weapon in my direction (hence, concealed)…….then, and only then, would I open up the wrath of our Lord on that individual.
God have Mercy on that man…………

There are a lot if “if’’s” and “but’s” in scenario that is always extremely chaotic and depends on perceived danger.

And I just read something wise a minute or two ago:

You know that: "Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups."

I work in institution where 99% have extensive experience using all kind of fire arms. Only one person actually has concealed weapon. Most of those that jump on concealed issue fall into group where my neighbor is, who said this when school shooting issue is discussed:”i live 5 min from school, and I have AR15. If something happens, I am there to take care of it.”

 

[ATex7239]

Also, in many states, if you shoot someone in these circumstances, chances are, YOU will be the one going to jail. And he will hire a lawyer and sue you.

The incident I believe happened to a female so in that case she could have claimed the disparity of force as a deadly threat. Which in most places is justified. I think most gun guys forget or blatantly ignore that not very problem is solved by pew pew. Many are better solved by avoidance, de-escalating, evasion or hand fighting. When your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

 

[Pew]

Most of those that jump on concealed issue fall into group where my neighbor is, who said this when school shooting issue is discussed:”i live 5 min from school, and I have AR15. If something happens, I am there to take care of it.”

This is why I don't believe in people carrying without proper extensive classes on when and how to properly use a firearm.

EDIT: With that said, this situation warranted a use of a firearm.

 

[c502cid]

The incident I believe happened to a female so in that case she could have claimed the disparity of force as a deadly threat. Which in most places is justified. I think most gun guys forget or blatantly ignore that not very problem is solved by pew pew. Many are better solved by avoidance, de-escalating, evasion or hand fighting. When your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Most gun guys forget or blatantly ignore?! With all the gun owners out there you would think good people are gunning down people in waves.

 

[demarpaint]

Call me crazy but my carry weapon is to save life not take it. I would not shoot someone over a vehicle.

Based on the story this was a strong armed robbery (ie, hand-to-hand with no weapons involved.) This seems more like a reason for Jiu Jitsu/Wrestling training and better situation awareness.

Everything you say is true. Regarding the Martial Arts it depends on your age. A man in his late 60's is a lot different than a man in his late 20's. I have a 4th degree black belt in Jiu-Jitsu and studied Karate and Philippine stick and knife fighting for many years. Things change when you get old, and as a rule of thumb most men are stronger than women, it was a woman that had her car stolen. Regarding the gun, I'd be willing to bet now that woman would rather have had the gun and not needed it, than needed it and not have it, as in this case. Opinions will vary. I'd be very happy with one stick, it compensates nicely for my age. In a more gun friendly state I'd carry one.

 

[ATex7239]

Most gun guys forget or blatantly ignore?! With all the gun owners out there you would think good people are gunning down people in waves.

The US is a pretty safe place by and large so defensive gun uses are pretty low. Statistically most people carrying will never have to pull their weapon and even less will have to actually use it if pulled. So no I don’t believe good guys are just blasting folks left and right. And I do believe very much in the right to carry.

However I do think the gun community does bad job focusing on anything but the gun. Soft skill and hand to hand capabilities are completely ignored by most when it comes to training. Most people only focus on the gun and ignore any skill except getting better with the gun.

 

[ATex7239]

Everything you say is true. Regarding the Martial Arts it depends on your age. A man in his late 60's is a lot different than a man in his late 20's. I have a 4th degree black belt in Jiu-Jitsu and studied Karate and Philippine stick and knife fighting for many years. Things change when you get old, and as a rule of thumb most men are stronger than women, it was a woman that had her car stolen. Regarding the gun, I'd be willing to bet now that woman would rather have had the gun and not needed it, than needed it and not have it, as in this case. Opinions will vary. I'd be very happy with one stick, it compensates nicely for my age. In a more gun friendly state I'd carry one.

Sounds like you trained appropriately to be able to handle anything that may come. Good on you. For sure age, health, athleticism, and size matter a whole a lot. No disputing that.

Yes, I think this woman would have been better off with a gun in general. But do I think the gun would have been the right choice for her in this situation, No, I do not.

 

[Ed_Flecko]

Another reason for concealed carry.

I agree, but in California...you want to be sure you know the pros and cons of what you're suggesting!

https://www.calgunlawsbook.com/

Ed

 

[Starman2112]

It is interesting that everyone thinks that if they have a gun, they will just shoot their way out of situation.
You know, there is a kid(s) in my car, but hey, instead of deescalation, why not getting into gun fight and risk lives of my kids, myself, other bystanders because??
Confidence and stupidity is really deadly.

Everyone doesn’t think that way. Shooting someone is the last thing I want to do, but to protect myself and my family you better believe I’d do it. I’m all for de-escalation but sometimes that simply doesn’t work. And those kids in your car are the best reasons in the world to carry a firearm.

 

[TiGeo]

Read the article. Situational awareness was a better solution b/c even if she was carrying a firearm, it would have been unlikely she could have done much and b/c this person wasn't armed, shooting them after they were in the car when she got up from being pushed to the ground (even though he assaulted her) would most likely land you in the hotseat vs. him also just the wrong to kill someone for that. I suppose if she was more alert and saw him coming she could have drawn her pistol (if she had one) and that would have likely caused him to turn around and leave. Here in VA, concealed carry is straightfoward and you can also open carry...seems if you really want to have folks not bother you/you are v. concerned with self defense open carrying is the way...who is going to come up and do that when they see your gun openly? I also suppose they could come behind you and disarm you quickly with a openly displayed side holster if they knew what they were doing and you didn't see them. Folks in these types of posts always like to make it out like they would do XYZ in these situations, very challenging to arm-chair QB this stuff without being in the situation yourself...who knows how you would react or what you could effectively do? Guns aren't the only way to deal with things like this.

IBL

 

[incognito_2u]

There are a lot if “if’’s” and “but’s” in scenario that is always extremely chaotic and depends on perceived danger.

Sir, with all due respect, someone aiming a deadly weapon in anyone's direction is more than "perceived", thereby justifying the use of deadly force to defend the lives of yourself and/or family. Thanks for your input.