These were the real deal.
Negative experience with EBC Ultimax2 Brake Pads
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Put Pagid FE pads and they will outperform Akebono GG in any aspect.
I tried Akebono ceramic pads on VW. Took that junk after 3,000miles.
It is combination. Bite+compound. Compound is the most important. Would I put any FE or FF pad? No. Would I put Pagid FE over Akebono GG? Absolutely!
Semi-metallic pads regardless are they track or street , will create dust, whether you brakes aggressively or not.
What was wrong with Akebono? Initial bite?
@VK56VD, I'm not doubting anything you've said so far, but I have a question. Besides an incredible amount of wheel dust, the rotor surface looks like it has worn excessively. How many miles were on the pads and rotors when these pictures were taken?
Scott
The rotor does look fairly shagged.
Ive read widely varying reports about dust on EBC, even red stuff which is ceramic and supposed to be low dust is said to be dusty. We even have a member here that said they were pretty bad dust wise but otherwise good for street use.
Plenty of reports both ways on you tooob.
Ive read widely varying reports about dust on EBC, even red stuff which is ceramic and supposed to be low dust is said to be dusty. We even have a member here that said they were pretty bad dust wise but otherwise good for street use.
Plenty of reports both ways on you tooob.
Interesting results in this testing;
For the OP's Lexus, Pagid makes two pads: a ceramic and a low-metallic.
The ceramic is FG up front, FF in the rear
The low-metallic is GF up front, EE in the rear
3,000
As expected. Passat was coming in 2008 with FE brakes, probably ATE made. Maybe, maybe FF.
They could turn off brake fade on BMW. Even in 2008 enthusiasts had free access to INPA software. My brake fade compensation on 328 is turned off since first day I started to track this car. I actually need to know when brake fade happens.
So which one is it? EBC says these brakes will make more dust. I put these on my ‘05 Outback with new EBC rotors, and other than some dust (not excessive for the use) I didn’t experience anything else amiss. I sold the car 2 years ago and the guy is still using those pads & calipers.
I don’t buy from shady channels to save a nickel, so depending on where you got them it may be as someone suggested, counterfeit.
EBC is a world leader in brakes, they don’t make junk. Sorry you had a bad experience, but generally that’s not the result from their equipment.
I had this same issue with a recent set of Akebono pads for my Yukon. I reached out to Akebobo and they sent me a new set....same thing. I changed back to the Wagner pad and now a proper fit.
The Akebono was about .5MM shorter than the OE, and Akebono acknowledged that.
Purely speculation but who knows, maybe there is a company making the backing plates, and the final material is added by the end manufacturer?
This was my new Pro Act pad in the rear of the Yukon.
Oh! That must create a REALLY annoying thud and a slap as the pads catch.
They were pretty much squealing like crazy...along with the rattle.
This is the size difference between OE or my wagner pads, and the Akebono Proact. The caliper was set to the Wagner and this is the difference.
Yes but while the brake fade on the Passat was excellent, the Malibu and Accord had noticeably shorter stopping distance in a panic stop.
I get that there is more to "performance", even on the road (and depending on how one drives), but in a panic situation, what is the benefit of having better brake pedal feel if you stop 30 feet later?
Wait BMW has software controlled brake fade? I thought brake fade was brake fluid boiling and not stopping because you know bubble bubble toil and trouble.
There is a lot of marketing blurb on EBC's website and easy to see contradictions about how they describe their pads. In terms of dust;
Ultimax2 dust rating 7/10 - "gentle on rotors, low on dust" "minimal dust"
Yellowstuff dust rating 8/10 - "These are not low dust pads"
Greenstuff dust rating 8/10 - "A medium to low dust material"
Redstuff dust rating 10/10 - "low dust pad" "reducing dust by 60-90%"
Ultimax2 dust rating 7/10 - "gentle on rotors, low on dust" "minimal dust"
Yellowstuff dust rating 8/10 - "These are not low dust pads"
Greenstuff dust rating 8/10 - "A medium to low dust material"
Redstuff dust rating 10/10 - "low dust pad" "reducing dust by 60-90%"
That might be now where tires come to play. Passat was coming in 2008 with same brake set up as my Tiguan has. Definitely not undersized.
No. Brake fade is pads getting too hot. Bubble bubble you are in REAL TROUBLE.
Shopping for brake pads based primarily on their friction coefficient ratings would be like shopping for tires based on their UTQG ratings.
Both are arrived at through testing for specific characteristics under controlled conditions, and are far from telling a complete story, or a total correlation to real world performance.
SAE J866 is the standard governing friction coefficient ratings, and they put a big disclaimer at the top, for free, without having to pay to read the rest:
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