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Ive been looking for the past week at getting a decent home stereo system. I want to use it mainly to listen to the radio, and some pop/classical music off pandora. I was initially going to get a sony shelf system for $199.

I then saw some bookshelf speakers on crutchfield for $100, and an onkyo stereo reciever for $150. Is this all I need for the reciever and speakers, or are there more components that I need to buy?

Any recommendations on what to do? My budget is set at $250 or less.
 
Make sure it has good reception. Most systems now-a-days have very poor reception.
 
If you're sharp about it, Ebay and the used market can be your best friend here for two channel equipment. Newer isn't always better when it comes to amps, tuners and even some speakers.

Not to take it in another direction, but I would never buy brand new audio gear in the low to moderate price range. Fact is, except for digital front-end equipment that has a quick technology pace, all of my audio equipment, from budget to rather high end gear, including all my vintage tubed stuff, has been acquired "pre-owned". Our main system sold new for more than most new cars did, but we didn't pay anything near that -- and it sounds just as good.

There is occasionally some wonderful older and vintage gear that will run rings around the new junk, both sonically and in build quality, for the same price you are looking, or less. Nice classic Marantz and other Japanese stuff from the '70s into the early '80s that isn't "digital" or "iStuff" related, and nobody wants. We picked up a perfectly working 2230 for the garage for $100, that still sings lovely many years later.

Go a little older, and you're into the tube era. Now your ears are living well, but the "repair-reconditioning" factor rises as you go further back. Still, we keep a 'beater" early '60s Fisher 500C in our rumpus room that sounds better than anything you'll find new under $2500. You may not want or can afford that, however.

But they all use the same RCA jacks that the garbage of today use. Your Squeezebox or other 21st Century media streamer will connect perfectly to it.

Again, if you are savvy about it, you can grab similar deals on speakers if you take your time. What someone else paid a couple thousand dollars for new, you can get for a small fraction on the used market. If well cared for, it still sounds just as good.

The trick is to get the older quality-made gear before the disposable electronics era. Discrete section design with a minimum of ICs. You'll absolutely also get a better tuner section if you do, even though broadcast quality standards have greatly deteriorated in recent years below what the older tuners are capable of. Unless you are willing to do some maintenance (usually recapping), just don't go back too far.

Trust the old audio guy on this one.
 
Volvohead- Thanks so much fot the detailed explanation.
The only reason I usually never consider used sound-system equipment is that it is an area that I am unfamiliar with as well as people usually like to blast the daylights out of their stereos.

My dad used to be big into stereo systems back in the 80s and 90s. I think im going to have a chat with him for some advice and then do some reading on "old gold".

Thanks for the help!
 
In addition to Volvohead's most excellent writeup, I just want to toss in my 2c's worth:

-(1 ) when you shop for used mid to avg consumer speakers, be very careful about the foam surrounding based speakers. test-poke it lightly and see if the foam has reached the state of full disintegration. If so, you have to weigh your options carefully RE: re-foam it? or get another speakers?

I've seen far too many badly/poorly refoamed speakers out on the market, mainly handled by owners or operators who knew nothing about speaker refoaming/re-coning, and many a times the project failed miserably.

- (2 )As far as amp's concerned: for low-end 2 channel ones, I have good results with NAD or Rotel (currently have a modified RA-810A in use).

Q.
 
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Ive been looking for the past week at getting a decent home stereo system. I want to use it mainly to listen to the radio, and some pop/classical music off pandora. I was initially going to get a sony shelf system for $199.

I then saw some bookshelf speakers on crutchfield for $100, and an onkyo stereo reciever for $150. Is this all I need for the reciever and speakers, or are there more components that I need to buy?

Any recommendations on what to do? My budget is set at $250 or less.

Yeah, stay away from a $199 all-in-one shelf system. You can do better by buying a separate amp/receiver and speakers.

Accessories4Less currently has a refurbed Denon DRA-397 stereo receiver for $149 that should work nicely. It has subwoofer outputs, too, in case you wanted to supplement your bookshelf speakers with a sub in the future to fill in the low end better. Another option for receiver would be Onkyo 8255 for about the same price new.


The problem will be finding decent speakers for $100. Which ones were you looking at on Crutchfield? As was pointed out by others, buying used can get you more bang for your buck, but there is also a lot of junk out there, so you need to be careful.
 
Which speakers are you considering? I'd prefer to have a listen before buying, but that's often only useful if you have something to directly compare to, either at the store or at home.

I'd expect the Onkyo receiver to be decent enough.

It is possible to find great deals on used stuff, if you know what you're looking for. But starting with an inexpensive component system from reputable manufacturers should be a good option too. If you decide you want better stuff in the future, you can always upgrade a little at a time and find uses for the components you're replacing. For example, the computer stereo I'm listening to right now consists of my first receiver (inexpensive Technics), my first sub (Paradigm PDR-10 with a Alpine S10 driver from a car system swapped in), and some old Paradigm Atoms that my buddy got with a bunch of speakers he bought used for really cheap.
 
FirstNissan,

The best way to select any system is to resolve a few questions. You've already answered a couple:

What are your music tastes? You listen to classical. That means a balanced system, and where you need to give up frequency range for cost, you should sacrifice equally at both extremes. You should also pay special attention to dynamic headroom, as classical has a wider loudness spectrum, and broader dynamics than other types. But with radio, you will already lose both frequency range and dynamics, so you may not need to work as hard on this factor.

What is your room size and preferred loudness levels? This will dictate the critical speaker/amp relation, and may limit the former according to relative SPL efficiency to get the levels you like.

What is your budget? You've already given that.

Note that every piece of equipment has its own "voice" or tonal and timbral signature. The trick is to know what they are in advance so that you can balance them to taste. The touchstone to good matching is "synergy", with strengths and weaknesses balanced off. It is why you don't mate a classic K-horn to a Krell (shrill), or an old Vandersteen to a CJ (too relaxed and warm), for instance . . . unless you like those results.

The front end also plays a part in the equation. Certain front end sources dictate different choices the rest of the way. You haven't identified what all your sources are. But since you are listening to radio, that factor will be built into the amp choice by necessity with any receiver.

But at your budget (and your listening tastes), I would err towards warmer (sometimes called "musical") electronics, as speakers (particularly more modern ones) tend to be a bit unrefined and unbalanced at those prices. Because you want radio, that means a receiver (and not separates) at that price range.

Perhaps an early Marantz (post-Saul) receiver (1970-74), or maybe a later "b" variant, or a similar-timbred capacitor-coupled output amp. These models are a little more forgiving of a bad tonal speaker pairing. While there are even better sounding receivers pre-1970 (Fisher stuff in particular when Avery still owned things), they will require repair/reconditioning that you probably can't afford. H/K still made some decent gear into at least the mid-70s. Same for Fisher. Avoid both by the late '70s. That was the "power wars" era. Once you start getting into the era of "quartz" and other digital tuning, the tuner and the amp section quality starts to fall off, unless you buy higher up the food chain. There are some decent NAD "chicklet" button receivers from the mid-later '80s, for instance (but not as nice to my ears as the older ones). Rotel can be hit or miss, but they have a few good ones from that general period. Same for some Onkyos from that era, or earlier. I don't care for Pioneers, Sonys, Kenwoods and some Yamahas from that period - big names, small sound. My receiver tastes fall off the table by the mid 90s, so I can't help you much with later receivers. They all pretty much sounded bad to me by then, and one is better off with separates. Receivers haven't gotten any better since to my ears. Lots of buttons, lots of inputs, dazzling "Toyko at night" styling, lovely measured specs . . . but thin, mediocre quality sound. Loud can only cover up so much.

There was a sea change in two channel electronics audio quality at the mass and mainstream market levels in the mid 1990s as the first wave of multi-channel HT gear started rolling in. Some of it was not very good unless you were very careful. Traditional "Hi-Fi" and two channel audio was forever degraded at the mainstream as a result. Those familiar with the golden era of stereo and earlier will understand. So perhaps that is your cutoff.

Alternatively, approaching it first from the speaker side, if you are aware of the foam surround issue with them, the small to midsize Advent bookshelves from the early to mid-1980s are a cheap but forgiving "all-rounder" speaker that sounds decent with most equipment, including many newer dreck amps.

If it must be newer, one economy priced "sleeper" small bookshelf speaker of later vintage to consider is a used original Ascend CBM-170. Ugly as heck, but a balanced range, good sounding little box. Relaxed yet still articulate. This sold new in the $300-400 range, and was better than comparable B&W, Mission, and KEF models. Generally though, look to the UK and Europe for the better sounding later small bookshelf models.

And don't laugh at this last one, but there are actually some older console units from the '60s into the early '70s that don't sound half bad. Big, honking pieces of furniture from Magnavox and Fisher, or even some German Grundig units, that grandparents and estates are now sadly kicking to the curb. Some enthusiasts drool over these just to get the electronics out of them, some of which are tubed, some of which are outstanding. Some are fine pieces of furniture in their own right. Speaker quality varies, but a $2000+ Fisher "President" console from the early '60s (cost about what a new car cost then) still makes good notes. I have mixed emotions about gutting a good working console, but at least some of it lives on. No, it's not high end sound as "audiophiles" would have it, but if you've got the room, it's one way to get a good-sounding complete system (that sounds better than any other later all-in-one rack or stack). . . sometimes for free. It will certainly turn guest's heads, especially now that "mid-Century" interior design has regained some urban appeal.

Those are just a couple suggestions. There is so much good used equipment still out there that you could come up with a thousand good sounding alternatives.
 
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
I then saw some bookshelf speakers on crutchfield for $100,

Polk Audio R150? These are not that great. I'd keep looking, either used or increase your budget.
 
I vote for older electronics & receivers as well. Since your Dad was a fan in earlier years, perhaps he'd enjoy working with you on this.

LS in that range will be tough. If you're handy, you could build some. Look up Madisound, Meniscus, Georgia Tech Audio lab LS, speaker city, and Parts Express.

If you want to buy something off the shelf, seek out a B&W or Paradigm or Triad or PSB dealer, take your music and listen. They might also have used/consignment equipment on the shelf that fits your needs.

You could also go with a small pro mini-monitor from Mackie or others. You'll find these at music stores that carry keyboards, guitars, amps, mixers, etc.

Everything you hear is from the LS. A better LS is worth the money. Don't make the mistake of pairing a better receiver/electronics with a cheap, lousy LS.
 
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