I am researching a Wix #57348 filter for my motorcycle. The beta ratio listed is 2/20= 2/60. My very limited understanding of a beta ratio is that the first number is the amount of particles of a certain size prior to filtration and the second number is particles of the same size after filtration. I don't understand Wix listed beta ratio for this filter.
Need help understanding a beta ratio
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As listed, 50%@2um and 95%@60um. As written, not spectacular.
^^^Fwiw, I agree with you. I can't remember seeing many if any Wix beta's 95%@60um that co with the 50%@20um. It wouldn't surprise me if it was actually significantly better than 60um in reality. Odd one for sure.
Originally Posted By: ppd1107
I'm sorry for the typo. It is listed at 2/20=6/20 Still not clear to me.
Now that's more like it.
That's 50%@6um and 95%@20um, very respectable. First pair of numbers is the respective percent(s). Second pair shows the corresponding micron level, in this case 6um and 20um.
And props to Z06 for sensing something not right with the first beta.
I'm sorry for the typo. It is listed at 2/20=6/20 Still not clear to me.
Now that's more like it.
That's 50%@6um and 95%@20um, very respectable. First pair of numbers is the respective percent(s). Second pair shows the corresponding micron level, in this case 6um and 20um.
And props to Z06 for sensing something not right with the first beta.
dnewton3
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The current mantra of Wix is to rate all their filters at the same beta data; 2/20=6/20. It's whitewashed gibberish now, IMO. That does not mean I wouldn't use a Wix; I like them and trust them. But I'll not go out of my way to buy them any longer; the TG offerings are too easy to get and priced right at Wally's for me to pass up.
If you want to see the historical unique info, visit FleetFilter as they still have the "old" beta data which shows how individual filters perform. For now ....
If you want to see the historical unique info, visit FleetFilter as they still have the "old" beta data which shows how individual filters perform. For now ....
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Originally Posted By: ppd1107
I am researching a Wix #57348 filter for my motorcycle. The beta ratio listed is 2/20= 2/60. My very limited understanding of a beta ratio is that the first number is the amount of particles of a certain size prior to filtration and the second number is particles of the same size after filtration. I don't understand Wix listed beta ratio for this filter.
A Twin Cam filter that's not 5 microns.......oh the horror!!!!
Here's a thread you may find enlightening:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1170035
I am researching a Wix #57348 filter for my motorcycle. The beta ratio listed is 2/20= 2/60. My very limited understanding of a beta ratio is that the first number is the amount of particles of a certain size prior to filtration and the second number is particles of the same size after filtration. I don't understand Wix listed beta ratio for this filter.
A Twin Cam filter that's not 5 microns.......oh the horror!!!!
Here's a thread you may find enlightening:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1170035
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dnewton3
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Nearly any filter is 5um capable; it's a question of at what efficiency?
Any filter has some potential to catch a 5um particle, but probably not often. Any filter can become highly efficient; it's a question of how long you'd have to run the FCI to get it to blind off the media down that low!
Any filter has some potential to catch a 5um particle, but probably not often. Any filter can become highly efficient; it's a question of how long you'd have to run the FCI to get it to blind off the media down that low!
I agree with you dnewton3. I was being sarcastic, because if you post on some of the HD forums that you use something other than a M/C specific oil filter on a Twin Cam that doesn't say 5 microns, you will be accused of blasphemy and branded a heretic.
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I agree with you dnewton3. I was being sarcastic, because if you post on some of the HD forums that you use something other than a M/C specific oil filter on a Twin Cam that doesn't say 5 microns, you will be accused of blasphemy and branded a heretic.
I know what you mean. It's as if rational thought goes out the window with some guys.
I listened to a guy sing the praises of syn 3 for an hour one day. How it's the best oil for Harley's blah blah blah.
Don't even get me started in the Harley branded Dunlop tires. For some reason the Harley branded ones cost 40 bucks more than the badgeless versions.
I agree with you dnewton3. I was being sarcastic, because if you post on some of the HD forums that you use something other than a M/C specific oil filter on a Twin Cam that doesn't say 5 microns, you will be accused of blasphemy and branded a heretic.
I know what you mean. It's as if rational thought goes out the window with some guys.
I listened to a guy sing the praises of syn 3 for an hour one day. How it's the best oil for Harley's blah blah blah.
Don't even get me started in the Harley branded Dunlop tires. For some reason the Harley branded ones cost 40 bucks more than the badgeless versions.
dnewton3
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Originally Posted By: SJohnson
I agree with you dnewton3. I was being sarcastic, because if you post on some of the HD forums that you use something other than a M/C specific oil filter on a Twin Cam that doesn't say 5 microns, you will be accused of blasphemy and branded a heretic.
Yeah - I got that from your post. Sorry if I didn't seem to get the tongue-in-cheek effect up front.
I'm well aware of the HD effect. I used to own a few way back in the day, and chose to go back to Big Red, where my heart and mind are most comfortable. To each his own ... The "5um" HD filter is nothing special, despite what the Faithfull will infer.
I agree with you dnewton3. I was being sarcastic, because if you post on some of the HD forums that you use something other than a M/C specific oil filter on a Twin Cam that doesn't say 5 microns, you will be accused of blasphemy and branded a heretic.
Yeah - I got that from your post. Sorry if I didn't seem to get the tongue-in-cheek effect up front.
I'm well aware of the HD effect. I used to own a few way back in the day, and chose to go back to Big Red, where my heart and mind are most comfortable. To each his own ... The "5um" HD filter is nothing special, despite what the Faithfull will infer.
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.... To each his own ... The "5um" HD filter is nothing special, despite what the Faithfull will infer.
Actually having a dissected "5um" HD oil filter here but not posted (yet), based solely on it's construction, it is a very well made filter. Fairly certain the media is synthetic, it also has thread end bypass and silicone adbv. Based on the design of the integral thread end bypass, it looks to be very much a Champ made filter. Very stout filter and quality design, based on it's construction I'd have no problem running an HD 5um filter.
All that said, it is true the "5um" name without a percent is meaningless. That point is not in dispute. But after seeing it's inner construction, I would not be quick to dismiss it as nothing special. Now as to whether it's worth it's ~$14 price tag for the chrome version is another discussion.
As for the topic'd Wix/Napa Gold, currently obtaining the NG version for $3.75 each at my local Napa on semi-annual 40% off sale. That's a savings of ~$2.25 over the current board equivalent filter level flavor of the month, and the NG has a construction type I prefer over that flavor. And as my local Napa is less than a mile away and closer than WM, I don't have to go out of my way for them either.
.... To each his own ... The "5um" HD filter is nothing special, despite what the Faithfull will infer.
Actually having a dissected "5um" HD oil filter here but not posted (yet), based solely on it's construction, it is a very well made filter. Fairly certain the media is synthetic, it also has thread end bypass and silicone adbv. Based on the design of the integral thread end bypass, it looks to be very much a Champ made filter. Very stout filter and quality design, based on it's construction I'd have no problem running an HD 5um filter.
All that said, it is true the "5um" name without a percent is meaningless. That point is not in dispute. But after seeing it's inner construction, I would not be quick to dismiss it as nothing special. Now as to whether it's worth it's ~$14 price tag for the chrome version is another discussion.
As for the topic'd Wix/Napa Gold, currently obtaining the NG version for $3.75 each at my local Napa on semi-annual 40% off sale. That's a savings of ~$2.25 over the current board equivalent filter level flavor of the month, and the NG has a construction type I prefer over that flavor. And as my local Napa is less than a mile away and closer than WM, I don't have to go out of my way for them either.
dnewton3
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I've not seen one, but your description sounds as though it's well made. I didn't mean to infer it's a lowly filter, but only that it's efficiency is nothing to get excited about despite their "5um" description. Like I said, I specifically asked Wix about thier equivilant offering for this "5um" filter several years ago, and was directly told that they reverse engineered the application (bought the HD filter and tested it in ISO criteria, then matched up the characteristics and performance criteria) and decided that their "normal" 51348 could do just as well.
But as you mention, construction is not an inference as to efficiency. Even syn media does not automatically generate "better" efficiency, although they most typically infer LONGER use because of capacity. Of all the HD riders I know, longer O/FCIs are not a concern, as they will often change oil once or even twice a season, after riding only a few thousands miles. But by gosh, they must have "the best" HD has to offer!
If some measure of an entity is "good", then "more" must be "better", right?
As the saying goes, there's one born every minute.
But as you mention, construction is not an inference as to efficiency. Even syn media does not automatically generate "better" efficiency, although they most typically infer LONGER use because of capacity. Of all the HD riders I know, longer O/FCIs are not a concern, as they will often change oil once or even twice a season, after riding only a few thousands miles. But by gosh, they must have "the best" HD has to offer!
If some measure of an entity is "good", then "more" must be "better", right?
As the saying goes, there's one born every minute.
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
But by gosh, they must have "the best" HD has to offer!
If some measure of an entity is "good", then "more" must be "better", right?
As the saying goes, there's one born every minute.
"HD" ... that's why every part cost a "Hundred Dollars".
But by gosh, they must have "the best" HD has to offer!
If some measure of an entity is "good", then "more" must be "better", right?
As the saying goes, there's one born every minute.
"HD" ... that's why every part cost a "Hundred Dollars".
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