Napa platinum no good?

[Sayjac]

Quote:
…nobody is buying them......

Nobody buying them? Care to post authoritative information on sales numbers with a published citing and/or name signature so it can be sent to Wix for confirmation regarding the claim? Otherwise that nothing more pure hearsay, imo.

For someone claiming not to care what anyone uses, imo sure seems went out of your way to cast the topic filter in a negative light. That said, unsurprised.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Just asking, why would any of you run an XP instead of Ultra? Ultra always costs less at 8.99 retail, is 99%@20 microns, and has 20k capacity. Pressure drop when new is less than 2psi. Flow from a typical Ultra is more than 10gpm and our LS based race car only flows 5.7gpm at 7500rpm.
XP- They wont release efficiency at 20 microns because it's dismal. They cost more. WIX makes no claims as to how many miles it will go to full capacity. They are in fact redesigning it now because well, nobody is buying them. Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


What vehicle sees 7500rpm in gear? Even 3+-grand may land us in jail for reckless driving. C'mon over to the real world Motorking.

Every time I stopped at a red light using a Fram Ultra, my idle would be stuttering and my headlights would dim at night-time. My GM would hammer at cold startup using the Ultra, even at 80 degree temps.

Take your Ultra and enjoy it. I've put my remaining new one in the recycle garbage bin.

 

[Onetor]

Here is an old thread I found Platinum cut open. OP made me curious. I would like to know the efficiency though.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted By: Onetor
Here is an old thread I found Platinum cut open. OP made me curious. I would like to know the efficiency though.


Isn't the efficiency listed in this thread (first post) AND online at their website? Did you look on the cardboard box it's in?

 

[Patman]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en



Every time I stopped at a red light using a Fram Ultra, my idle would be stuttering and my headlights would dim at night-time. My GM would hammer at cold startup using the Ultra, even at 80 degree temps.

Take your Ultra and enjoy it. I've put my remaining new one in the recycle garbage bin.


That's just pure nonsense, you are literally the only person I have ever heard say that the Fram Ultra made their engine act like that. I've been running Fram Ultra filters on many different engines ever since it first came out (before it was even called the Ultra in fact) and I have never experienced this problem you describe at all. What possible reason could cause the oil filter to do this in the first place?

 

[goodtimes]

Particles, much smaller than normal eye resolution allows, can be seen in bright sunlight by eye, especially with a loupe, and the sunlight coming in at an angle. Than in another setting. Gemologists of old would position benches so sunlight would beam in to inspect gems with eye loupes. Morning sun is best. So take your oil pans outside in the bright morning sun and have a look.

 

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Just asking, why would any of you run an XP instead of Ultra? Ultra always costs less at 8.99 retail, is 99%@20 microns, and has 20k capacity. Pressure drop when new is less than 2psi. Flow from a typical Ultra is more than 10gpm and our LS based race car only flows 5.7gpm at 7500rpm.
XP- They wont release efficiency at 20 microns because it's dismal. They cost more. WIX makes no claims as to how many miles it will go to full capacity. They are in fact redesigning it now because well, nobody is buying them. Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


Because Mr. Motorking never answered me where I can buy Fram Racing filters for $10,after he said they were available, and I don't like that treatment from a company rep, so I don't buy Fram products? How about teaching your assembly line to apply the fiber end caps centered? Because they are often a mess and I had glue shards in my TG center tube and engine.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Just asking, why would any of you run an XP instead of Ultra? Ultra always costs less at 8.99 retail, is 99%@20 microns, and has 20k capacity. Pressure drop when new is less than 2psi. Flow from a typical Ultra is more than 10gpm and our LS based race car only flows 5.7gpm at 7500rpm.
XP- They wont release efficiency at 20 microns because it's dismal. They cost more. WIX makes no claims as to how many miles it will go to full capacity. They are in fact redesigning it now because well, nobody is buying them. Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


What vehicle sees 7500rpm in gear? Even 3+-grand may land us in jail for reckless driving. C'mon over to the real world Motorking.

Every time I stopped at a red light using a Fram Ultra, my idle would be stuttering and my headlights would dim at night-time. My GM would hammer at cold startup using the Ultra, even at 80 degree temps.

Take your Ultra and enjoy it. I've put my remaining new one in the recycle garbage bin.


I had one particular engine tick for a few seconds using a FU but thats all, the engine or its lube system were not stock so to put the blame solely on the filter is unfair, every other engine has been fine with them. IMHO its a very good filter and yes I use them as well as the Wix/Napa, OE, German Mann and Mahle and Hengst filters, among that group I have no real preference (my VW has an oversized Mann for extra capacity).

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Just asking, why would any of you run an XP instead of Ultra? Ultra always costs less at 8.99 retail, is 99%@20 microns, and has 20k capacity. Pressure drop when new is less than 2psi. Flow from a typical Ultra is more than 10gpm and our LS based race car only flows 5.7gpm at 7500rpm.
XP- They wont release efficiency at 20 microns because it's dismal. They cost more. WIX makes no claims as to how many miles it will go to full capacity. They are in fact redesigning it now because well, nobody is buying them. Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


What vehicle sees 7500rpm in gear? Even 3+-grand may land us in jail for reckless driving. C'mon over to the real world Motorking.

Every time I stopped at a red light using a Fram Ultra, my idle would be stuttering and my headlights would dim at night-time. My GM would hammer at cold startup using the Ultra, even at 80 degree temps.

Take your Ultra and enjoy it. I've put my remaining new one in the recycle garbage bin.
Shame you aren't closer to me, I would trade you a DOZEN Purolator Classics for it! Believe Jay's LS is a track car, it would be cool to see some pics! Must have some special head work done, my family's SB Chevys float the valves around 6500.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Just asking, why would any of you run an XP instead of Ultra? Ultra always costs less at 8.99 retail, is 99%@20 microns, and has 20k capacity. Pressure drop when new is less than 2psi. Flow from a typical Ultra is more than 10gpm and our LS based race car only flows 5.7gpm at 7500rpm.
XP- They wont release efficiency at 20 microns because it's dismal. They cost more. WIX makes no claims as to how many miles it will go to full capacity. They are in fact redesigning it now because well, nobody is buying them. Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


Because Mr. Motorking never answered me where I can buy Fram Racing filters for $10,after he said they were available, and I don't like that treatment from a company rep, so I don't buy Fram products? How about teaching your assembly line to apply the fiber end caps centered? Because they are often a mess and I had glue shards in my TG center tube and engine.
Looks like AAP has a pretty good price on the Chevy one (HP4)- https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/fram-racing-high-performance-oil-filter-hp4/5140552-p

 

[bullwinkle]

Also, even though I run the Ultra on a lot of things, the 6.2 currently has a Bosch Distance Plus on it (as will my brother's recently acquired SB Chevy Jeep CJ-7 with it's built '67 302 SB Chevy once the break-in is over), the F-450 has Mobil 1, and the Ram Cummins still has it's FG Venturi Combo. I'm not a huge fan of the engineered media Frams, but I've used plenty-they've never blown up anything yet.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Just asking, why would any of you run an XP instead of Ultra? Ultra always costs less at 8.99 retail, is 99%@20 microns, and has 20k capacity. Pressure drop when new is less than 2psi. Flow from a typical Ultra is more than 10gpm and our LS based race car only flows 5.7gpm at 7500rpm.
XP- They wont release efficiency at 20 microns because it's dismal. They cost more. WIX makes no claims as to how many miles it will go to full capacity. They are in fact redesigning it now because well, nobody is buying them. Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


I like the Fram Ultra, and it is an awesome filter, and probably does filter better than the XP/Platinum, and I like the Suregrip, but Wix does have more XP applications than Fram has for the Ultra.

However, I do prefer the Ultra in applications that Fram actually makes it for. I use these synthetic filters for extended OCI's 10k or longer on cars that don't use an OLM. On cars that do, I use (regular) Wix or Fram TG, except on MM-equipped Hondas, which get a PH7317 since that is the A02 OEM filter.

The Subaru high-psi bypass 57055XP. Fram does not even make a Subaru-spec filter.

Ford's Zetec filter, Wix 51315XP. There is no Ultra XG8316.
Since the Focus doesn't get driven more than 10k a year, I will use the new silicone PH8316 on it. Right now, it has a non-XP Wix 51315.

Also, in regards to the Pentastar Ultra, XG11665, This particular Ultra is Korean and uses a plastic mesh like the Purolator Boss and some German OEM Manns. Is the XG1165 outsourced to Mann Korea? Anyway, someone else on here used the plastic mesh XG1165 and it still buckled! The recently-released Wix counterpart, WL10010XP (Napa Platinum 4100010) uses a metal wire backing like any other XP. See this thread.

The Volvo Ultra cartridge XG8712 is $27 at Walmart! The Wix counterpart 57021XP can be had at least $10 less.

The famous VW 2.0T can with the hex key thing is over $30! Wix doesn't make an XP for it, so my choice for this application would be the M1-404A, which is good for 20k and the parts stores charge a fair price for it. In fact, the 404 is even included in the oil change bundles. This is one of the few cases where I'd use a filter for more than one OCI, simply because they are so expensive.

Other than the above scenarios, I still love the Fram Ultra, and I know it is a great filter at a great price. But there are a scant few instances where it cannot be used.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en

Every time I stopped at a red light using a Fram Ultra, my idle would be stuttering and my headlights would dim at night-time. My GM would hammer at cold startup using the Ultra, even at 80 degree temps.

Take your Ultra and enjoy it. I've put my remaining new one in the recycle garbage bin.


That's just pure nonsense, you are literally the only person I have ever heard say that the Fram Ultra made their engine act like that. I've been running Fram Ultra filters on many different engines ever since it first came out (before it was even called the Ultra in fact) and I have never experienced this problem you describe at all. What possible reason could cause the oil filter to do this in the first place?


+1 ... pretty far fetched.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Most engine damaging particles are below 16 micron so those particles are going right past the FU also with its 20 micron 99% rating also.

I am not going through this whole business with you again, leave it at that, other posters can draw their own conclusions.


What you fail to grasp is that an oil filter that is 99% at 20u is going to capture way more wear particles below 20u than a filter rated at 50% at 20u. Filter efficiency curves are not step functions. Many efficiency curve examples have been posted in this forum over the last 10 years.

So yes, a higher efficiency filter will keep the oil cleaner, which reduces engine wear. The SAE Bus Study proved that simple correlation.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en



Every time I stopped at a red light using a Fram Ultra, my idle would be stuttering and my headlights would dim at night-time. My GM would hammer at cold startup using the Ultra, even at 80 degree temps.

Take your Ultra and enjoy it. I've put my remaining new one in the recycle garbage bin.


That's just pure nonsense, you are literally the only person I have ever heard say that the Fram Ultra made their engine act like that. I've been running Fram Ultra filters on many different engines ever since it first came out (before it was even called the Ultra in fact) and I have never experienced this problem you describe at all. What possible reason could cause the oil filter to do this in the first place?



No nonsense!
Replaced with a $1.67 Premium Guard and both my startup rattle and standing idle-stutter stopped. I'm not here to bash Fram at-all. I am a fan of both the TG and new EG.
2004 Chevrolet Colorado 3.5 five cylinder

Next to be mounted is a K&N Premium HP-2006..... in a few more weeks. This current $1.67 Premium Guard has no issues in almost 5.5K miles so far. I will run it for 6-6.5K and I checked with car51 before purchasing the Premium Guard, which is a sister to Parts Plus, which car51 uses a-lot for work..

 

[Patman]

Even if your story is true, and one bad Fram Ultra caused that to happen, that doesn't mean that every Ultra that you would have put on that engine would have caused the same issue. And like I said, nobody else has ever reported that to happen on here. So I hope you haven't caused people to panic for no good reason.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Honestly do not care what you use just curious as to why?


A lot of people still buy or stay away from products based on the reputation built behind the brand name. Even if that reputation was burned into their head decades ago, regardless if that product is good or bad today.

There are still a few stragglers who still defend Purolators even though the tearing problem still exists. Or people who think a filter's efficiency doesn't matter, even though they can't back up the claim with any kind of valid test or study. Kind of strange how consumers think sometimes.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
No nonsense!
Replaced with a $1.67 Premium Guard and both my startup rattle and standing idle-stutter stopped. I'm not here to bash Fram at-all. I am a fan of both the TG and new EG.
2004 Chevrolet Colorado 3.5 five cylinder.


Did you cut open that Ultra to inspect the guts? Maybe it was that missing cylinder.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Trav
Most engine damaging particles are below 16 micron so those particles are going right past the FU also with its 20 micron 99% rating also.

I am not going through this whole business with you again, leave it at that, other posters can draw their own conclusions.


What you fail to grasp is that an oil filter that is 99% at 20u is going to capture way more wear particles below 20u than a filter rated at 50% at 20u. Filter efficiency curves are not step functions. Many efficiency curve examples have been posted in this forum over the last 10 years.

So yes, a higher efficiency filter will keep the oil cleaner, which reduces engine wear. The SAE Bus Study proved that simple correlation.


Not this carp again. Let it be man and agree to disagree, I get things just fine.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yeah, agree to disagree is great. Read the Bus Study. And I'm all ears when someone here can post links to a valid committee approved study showing that inefficient filters make no difference in oil cleanliness and engine wear.