Myth Busted: "Bad cat won't cause misfire"
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First of all, dyno results before and after or GTFO.
Second of all, there are plenty of other ways to increase power legally and without polluting more. I suggest you look into those instead of removing cats. "More power" is not a justifiable excuse to remove them.
Second of all, there are plenty of other ways to increase power legally and without polluting more. I suggest you look into those instead of removing cats. "More power" is not a justifiable excuse to remove them.
I would guess the ECU tune I got did more to clean up the car than removing the cat dirtied it. Fuel mileage and power went up considerable. Get 4 more mpg average easy.
Anyone who has a turbo knows a non restrictive exhaust is an easy power gain. 3" all the way no cats, no resonator, straight through muffler and a huge 5" tip (for decorative purposes only) for a little 2L.
Anyone who has a turbo knows a non restrictive exhaust is an easy power gain. 3" all the way no cats, no resonator, straight through muffler and a huge 5" tip (for decorative purposes only) for a little 2L.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Just what are you trying to accomplish by removing the cat? You're not gonna gain any power. So, what benefit is there? Other than needlessly polluting more and breaking laws, of course.
1)Increased power (mid to top end mostly). Turbo will see greater benefits over NA for obvious reasons.
2)Increased MPG.
3)Increased engine service life (less restriction/more flow means engine enjoys a longer life).
Sacrifices were made in order to comply with emissions, there's no way in getting around this (although, technology has vastly improved thus decreasing the gap in the benefits of going cat-LESS).
Originally Posted By: exranger06
First of all, dyno results before and after or GTFO.
I don't need a dyno to tell me what my posterior already knows (think butt-dyno, hehe).
As for increased MPG... well, that is easily tallied at the pump.
Just what are you trying to accomplish by removing the cat? You're not gonna gain any power. So, what benefit is there? Other than needlessly polluting more and breaking laws, of course.
1)Increased power (mid to top end mostly). Turbo will see greater benefits over NA for obvious reasons.
2)Increased MPG.
3)Increased engine service life (less restriction/more flow means engine enjoys a longer life).
Sacrifices were made in order to comply with emissions, there's no way in getting around this (although, technology has vastly improved thus decreasing the gap in the benefits of going cat-LESS).
Originally Posted By: exranger06
First of all, dyno results before and after or GTFO.
I don't need a dyno to tell me what my posterior already knows (think butt-dyno, hehe).
As for increased MPG... well, that is easily tallied at the pump.
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
DoubleWasp. You have committed a crime. Because you choose in your own mind to justify your actions doesn't make it less true. You're also a liar. Your cats did not fall off when you ran over a bump, you purposely and willfully removed them.
Prove it, [censored].
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It's not $1000. It would have been a little over half that because you only needed to change one side. A good business owner wouldn't have replaced both if only one was bad. You don't know if an aftermarket cat would have worked or not because you did not even try.
Because I was not going to invest in something that may not work.
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So after talking to your scrap guy, using an aftermarket cat was off the table. That is the single, most hilarious thing I have ever read on this forum. Do you consult your cobbler before buying tires? Do you consult a grocer before buying fuel? Whom do you consult for financial advice? But we can run with that. You quoted your scrap guy as saying, "most aftermarket cats are little more than chambers with screens in them." He didn't say "all". The one I linked certainly has more than a screen. You have no idea if an aftermarket cat would have worked or not; you didn't even try. You also said this was covered "several times" throughout this thread. That one doesn't even count. Where's the rest?
Someone whose job it is to assess the catalyst content of a catalytic converter is definitely a qualified individual to tell me which catalytic converters have a specific content of catalyst.
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I'm not telling you what to do with your property; it's yours to do with as you please. All I said is that it is ridiculous to refer to an inanimate as "she". What's her name? Did you hold the steering wheel and talk softly to her while she was being welded on? Did you give her a couple days rest before driving her after this amputation? Are you going to take her back for a check-up? When she dies, are you going to load her up on a flatbed and have a procession to the scrap yard? Or are you going to cremate her and keep her ashes on the mantel?
What the [censored] are you even going on about? You need to take some medication.
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With you mastery of the multi-quote, your anger issues, your eagerness to fight on an Internet forum, and your desire to always have the last word, I'd be surprised to learn you are any older than 20 and your business any more than a mobile car wash.
You seem to be getting the impression that I care about your opinions. I don't. I have posted many pictures from our business of heavy equipment repairs, boat repairs, and more. That you are ignorant of that fact changes nothing.
DoubleWasp. You have committed a crime. Because you choose in your own mind to justify your actions doesn't make it less true. You're also a liar. Your cats did not fall off when you ran over a bump, you purposely and willfully removed them.
Prove it, [censored].
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It's not $1000. It would have been a little over half that because you only needed to change one side. A good business owner wouldn't have replaced both if only one was bad. You don't know if an aftermarket cat would have worked or not because you did not even try.
Because I was not going to invest in something that may not work.
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So after talking to your scrap guy, using an aftermarket cat was off the table. That is the single, most hilarious thing I have ever read on this forum. Do you consult your cobbler before buying tires? Do you consult a grocer before buying fuel? Whom do you consult for financial advice? But we can run with that. You quoted your scrap guy as saying, "most aftermarket cats are little more than chambers with screens in them." He didn't say "all". The one I linked certainly has more than a screen. You have no idea if an aftermarket cat would have worked or not; you didn't even try. You also said this was covered "several times" throughout this thread. That one doesn't even count. Where's the rest?
Someone whose job it is to assess the catalyst content of a catalytic converter is definitely a qualified individual to tell me which catalytic converters have a specific content of catalyst.
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I'm not telling you what to do with your property; it's yours to do with as you please. All I said is that it is ridiculous to refer to an inanimate as "she". What's her name? Did you hold the steering wheel and talk softly to her while she was being welded on? Did you give her a couple days rest before driving her after this amputation? Are you going to take her back for a check-up? When she dies, are you going to load her up on a flatbed and have a procession to the scrap yard? Or are you going to cremate her and keep her ashes on the mantel?
What the [censored] are you even going on about? You need to take some medication.
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With you mastery of the multi-quote, your anger issues, your eagerness to fight on an Internet forum, and your desire to always have the last word, I'd be surprised to learn you are any older than 20 and your business any more than a mobile car wash.
You seem to be getting the impression that I care about your opinions. I don't. I have posted many pictures from our business of heavy equipment repairs, boat repairs, and more. That you are ignorant of that fact changes nothing.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^^Haw, that last line is a doozy!
But ole DW is always good for a laugh. And proposing that it is OK for him to break the law is fine by him but may not work for everyone.
I run a fleet. We conform to the law. We have consistently been profitable across decades. I postulate that it may even be possible for some others to duplicate this success. Even without breaking laws.
Psst, DW, please note that ole Steve never quoted a statute, just referenced the law as almost everyone knows that removing/tampering of emissions devices is a no no.
But not for you, eh?
Semantics, semantics. Tons of people do it, nobody cares who matters.
^^^^Haw, that last line is a doozy!
But ole DW is always good for a laugh. And proposing that it is OK for him to break the law is fine by him but may not work for everyone.
I run a fleet. We conform to the law. We have consistently been profitable across decades. I postulate that it may even be possible for some others to duplicate this success. Even without breaking laws.
Psst, DW, please note that ole Steve never quoted a statute, just referenced the law as almost everyone knows that removing/tampering of emissions devices is a no no.
But not for you, eh?
Semantics, semantics. Tons of people do it, nobody cares who matters.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Just what are you trying to accomplish by removing the cat? You're not gonna gain any power. So, what benefit is there? Other than needlessly polluting more and breaking laws, of course.
I like how the inconsiderate douches labels anyone who cares about pollution a tree-hugger. It's not like breathing is important or anything, only hippies care about that.
OK, go back and read the thread. Once you are no longer ignorant of everything that has occurred, get back to me.
Just what are you trying to accomplish by removing the cat? You're not gonna gain any power. So, what benefit is there? Other than needlessly polluting more and breaking laws, of course.
I like how the inconsiderate douches labels anyone who cares about pollution a tree-hugger. It's not like breathing is important or anything, only hippies care about that.
OK, go back and read the thread. Once you are no longer ignorant of everything that has occurred, get back to me.
Originally Posted By: exranger06
First of all, dyno results before and after or GTFO.
Second of all, there are plenty of other ways to increase power legally and without polluting more. I suggest you look into those instead of removing cats. "More power" is not a justifiable excuse to remove them.
Where do you clowns keep coming from?
Here's the situation:
Companies are selling defective catalytic converters with their vehicles.
The EPA expects the consumer to pick up the tab, while failing to protect the consumer.
Some people, like myself, have decided not to be involved in this incompetence, and simply not lay out extra cash for a motor vehicle manufacturer's incompetence, nor the government's failure to protect the consumer.
Don't like it? There's nothing that you, Steve, or the other idiot can do about it, except whine and make personal attacks.
While everyone is complaining and accusing, I'll be driving, and not giving a [censored].
First of all, dyno results before and after or GTFO.
Second of all, there are plenty of other ways to increase power legally and without polluting more. I suggest you look into those instead of removing cats. "More power" is not a justifiable excuse to remove them.
Where do you clowns keep coming from?
Here's the situation:
Companies are selling defective catalytic converters with their vehicles.
The EPA expects the consumer to pick up the tab, while failing to protect the consumer.
Some people, like myself, have decided not to be involved in this incompetence, and simply not lay out extra cash for a motor vehicle manufacturer's incompetence, nor the government's failure to protect the consumer.
Don't like it? There's nothing that you, Steve, or the other idiot can do about it, except whine and make personal attacks.
While everyone is complaining and accusing, I'll be driving, and not giving a [censored].
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Tons of people do it, nobody cares who matters.
Actually the more you blather and rant the less it matters.
Good call, you have reduced your imagined importance AND shown your idiocy. Sad to watch this fire burn, but couldn't happen to a nicer dolt!
Tons of people do it, nobody cares who matters.
Actually the more you blather and rant the less it matters.
Good call, you have reduced your imagined importance AND shown your idiocy. Sad to watch this fire burn, but couldn't happen to a nicer dolt!
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
While everyone is complaining and accusing, I'll be driving, and not giving a [censored].
Just another lie. You're not driving. You're furiously pounding away on your keyboard attacking anyone that disagrees with you. You also lack maturity and creative thinking. You default to insults and can't write a sentence without tripping the censor.
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While everyone is complaining and accusing, I'll be driving, and not giving a [censored].
Just another lie. You're not driving. You're furiously pounding away on your keyboard attacking anyone that disagrees with you. You also lack maturity and creative thinking. You default to insults and can't write a sentence without tripping the censor.
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Prove it, [censored].
Just have to read your posts.
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Because I was not going to invest in something that may not work.
How did you know that the resonator was going to work? Consult Big Bird?
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Someone whose job it is to assess the catalyst content of a catalytic converter is definitely a qualified individual to tell me which catalytic converters have a specific content of catalyst.
So where did your scrap guy earn his qualifications? Is your scrap guy a metallurgist? Does your scrap guy have a degree in automotive engineering? This must be the smartest scrap guy in history!
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You seem to be getting the impression that I care about your opinions. I don't.
Another lie. You do care. Go back and read your embarrassing, childish, name-calling tirades. This thread was all but dead until you came back and revived it with your silly responses because you're too immature to accept that others will have differing opinions. You're in for a long, frustrating life. Looking for vindication on an Internet forum? I'm embarrassed for you.
Prove it, [censored].
Just have to read your posts.
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Because I was not going to invest in something that may not work.
How did you know that the resonator was going to work? Consult Big Bird?
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Someone whose job it is to assess the catalyst content of a catalytic converter is definitely a qualified individual to tell me which catalytic converters have a specific content of catalyst.
So where did your scrap guy earn his qualifications? Is your scrap guy a metallurgist? Does your scrap guy have a degree in automotive engineering? This must be the smartest scrap guy in history!
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You seem to be getting the impression that I care about your opinions. I don't.
Another lie. You do care. Go back and read your embarrassing, childish, name-calling tirades. This thread was all but dead until you came back and revived it with your silly responses because you're too immature to accept that others will have differing opinions. You're in for a long, frustrating life. Looking for vindication on an Internet forum? I'm embarrassed for you.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Tons of people do it, nobody cares who matters.
Actually the more you blather and rant the less it matters.
Good call, you have reduced your imagined importance AND shown your idiocy. Sad to watch this fire burn, but couldn't happen to a nicer dolt!
Steve, do you ever have anything to contribute besides a bunch of ad-hominem and false claims of imaginary victory? Yeah, I thought not.
Nice try. No cigar.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Tons of people do it, nobody cares who matters.
Actually the more you blather and rant the less it matters.
Good call, you have reduced your imagined importance AND shown your idiocy. Sad to watch this fire burn, but couldn't happen to a nicer dolt!
Steve, do you ever have anything to contribute besides a bunch of ad-hominem and false claims of imaginary victory? Yeah, I thought not.
Nice try. No cigar.
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just another lie. You're not driving. You're furiously pounding away on your keyboard attacking anyone that disagrees with you. You also lack maturity and creative thinking. You default to insults and can't write a sentence without tripping the censor.
Sounds like a perfect description of yourself. How many posts have you made attacking anyone who likes MaxLife transmission fluid?
Just another lie. You're not driving. You're furiously pounding away on your keyboard attacking anyone that disagrees with you. You also lack maturity and creative thinking. You default to insults and can't write a sentence without tripping the censor.
Sounds like a perfect description of yourself. How many posts have you made attacking anyone who likes MaxLife transmission fluid?
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Just have to read your posts.
Circular logic on your part.
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How did you know that the resonator was going to work? Consult Big Bird?
Let me break it down for you, since you are so mechanically inept, that you can't even change your transmission fluid without destroying something: A resonator does not have internals that collapse like a catalytic converter.
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So where did your scrap guy earn his qualifications? Is your scrap guy a metallurgist? Does your scrap guy have a degree in automotive engineering? This must be the smartest scrap guy in history!
And you must be the dumbest person to touch a car in history, because you don't even know that in the state of Florida, the trade of scrap materials, especially catalytic converters, requires special licenses, training, material, and a highly developed database regarding the specific content of each of the most common catalysts present inside of a catalytic converter, gram for gram. That business also comes with an extreme amount of monitoring by local, state, and Federal authorities. In the whole Tri-County area, there are maybe 30 companies in total that have the ability to do this.
Of course, the simple matter is, he represents one of the oldest and most successful scrap metal purchasing companies in the entire area. If he didn't know what he was doing, they wouldn't have been in business the past 32 years.
Again, your ignorance does not prove you right.
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Another lie. You do care. Go back and read your embarrassing, childish, name-calling tirades. This thread was all but dead until you came back and revived it with your silly responses because you're too immature to accept that others will have differing opinions. You're in for a long, frustrating life. Looking for vindication on an Internet forum? I'm embarrassed for you.
Good imagination. This thread was "dead" because I was doing this thing called work while you were taking the time out to post more ignorant, embarassing, childish ad-hominem. "OMG you're a liar liar liar liar." A person capable of accepting differing opinions, you are not.
I didn't come into a thread you posted getting all [censored] off about an opinion. That's what you did. Contradictory much?
You're a kitten trying to hump a cat. When it comes to motor vehicles, you couldn't stand in the shadow of my knowledge and experience. I've forgotten more than you've ever thought of, and you're never going to change that.
Just have to read your posts.
Circular logic on your part.
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How did you know that the resonator was going to work? Consult Big Bird?
Let me break it down for you, since you are so mechanically inept, that you can't even change your transmission fluid without destroying something: A resonator does not have internals that collapse like a catalytic converter.
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So where did your scrap guy earn his qualifications? Is your scrap guy a metallurgist? Does your scrap guy have a degree in automotive engineering? This must be the smartest scrap guy in history!
And you must be the dumbest person to touch a car in history, because you don't even know that in the state of Florida, the trade of scrap materials, especially catalytic converters, requires special licenses, training, material, and a highly developed database regarding the specific content of each of the most common catalysts present inside of a catalytic converter, gram for gram. That business also comes with an extreme amount of monitoring by local, state, and Federal authorities. In the whole Tri-County area, there are maybe 30 companies in total that have the ability to do this.
Of course, the simple matter is, he represents one of the oldest and most successful scrap metal purchasing companies in the entire area. If he didn't know what he was doing, they wouldn't have been in business the past 32 years.
Again, your ignorance does not prove you right.
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Another lie. You do care. Go back and read your embarrassing, childish, name-calling tirades. This thread was all but dead until you came back and revived it with your silly responses because you're too immature to accept that others will have differing opinions. You're in for a long, frustrating life. Looking for vindication on an Internet forum? I'm embarrassed for you.
Good imagination. This thread was "dead" because I was doing this thing called work while you were taking the time out to post more ignorant, embarassing, childish ad-hominem. "OMG you're a liar liar liar liar." A person capable of accepting differing opinions, you are not.
I didn't come into a thread you posted getting all [censored] off about an opinion. That's what you did. Contradictory much?
You're a kitten trying to hump a cat. When it comes to motor vehicles, you couldn't stand in the shadow of my knowledge and experience. I've forgotten more than you've ever thought of, and you're never going to change that.
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Far from a perfect description of myself. I never attacked anyone for using that garbage and if I tripped a censor, unlike you, it wasn't directed at anybody; just an overzealous use of an adjective of my opinion of that swill.
If you are able to make an honest assessment of my posts you will see that I only describe my experience and opinion. You will also notice that I (except in the rarest of situations) wait until the thread is dead or dying before posting. You'll be blind to that because you can't even be honest with yourself. So, nice try at a deflection. Much like your life and business, epic fail.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Sounds like a perfect description of yourself. How many posts have you made attacking anyone who likes MaxLife transmission fluid?
If you are able to make an honest assessment of my posts you will see that I only describe my experience and opinion. You will also notice that I (except in the rarest of situations) wait until the thread is dead or dying before posting. You'll be blind to that because you can't even be honest with yourself. So, nice try at a deflection. Much like your life and business, epic fail.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Sounds like a perfect description of yourself. How many posts have you made attacking anyone who likes MaxLife transmission fluid?
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Far from a perfect description of myself. I never attacked anyone for using that garbage and if I tripped a censor, unlike you, it wasn't directed at anybody; just an overzealous use of an adjective of my opinion of that swill.
If you are able to make an honest assessment of my posts you will see that I only describe my experience and opinion. You will also notice that I (except in the rarest of situations) wait until the thread is dead or dying before posting. You'll be blind to that because you can't even be honest with yourself. So, nice try at a deflection. Much like your life and business, epic fail.
Your posts contain absolutely ZERO technical detail, and are loaded with nothing but insults. Merriam-Webster could take all of your posts and list them as the very definition of ad-hominem.
I am personally responsible for millions of dollars of machines, and I do a whole [censored] of a lot more than simply maintain them. I take apart and put back together $200,000+ machines for multi-millionaires, to their great satisfaction. None of my clients have ever had a complaint about anything I have done for them, and my business is VERY successful.
That's the raw deal behind ad-hominem. It rarely establishes anything related to facts.
Far from a perfect description of myself. I never attacked anyone for using that garbage and if I tripped a censor, unlike you, it wasn't directed at anybody; just an overzealous use of an adjective of my opinion of that swill.
If you are able to make an honest assessment of my posts you will see that I only describe my experience and opinion. You will also notice that I (except in the rarest of situations) wait until the thread is dead or dying before posting. You'll be blind to that because you can't even be honest with yourself. So, nice try at a deflection. Much like your life and business, epic fail.
Your posts contain absolutely ZERO technical detail, and are loaded with nothing but insults. Merriam-Webster could take all of your posts and list them as the very definition of ad-hominem.
I am personally responsible for millions of dollars of machines, and I do a whole [censored] of a lot more than simply maintain them. I take apart and put back together $200,000+ machines for multi-millionaires, to their great satisfaction. None of my clients have ever had a complaint about anything I have done for them, and my business is VERY successful.
That's the raw deal behind ad-hominem. It rarely establishes anything related to facts.
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Good imagination. This thread was "dead" because I was doing this thing called work while you were taking the time out to post more ignorant, embarassing, childish ad-hominem. "OMG you're a liar liar liar liar." A person capable of accepting differing opinions, you are not.
So why ain't you at work now? Oh, I know, even in Florida it's probably a little too early and cold to be washing other people's cars. Or is it boats? Both? I'll be in the area next month, will you give me a discount? There'll be lot's of road grime from the trip down.
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I've forgotten more than you've ever thought of, and you're never going to change that.
At your young age, you couldn't have learned much yet. I was welding yesterday. Since a well-bred chimp can be taught to weld, I understand why you had to have someone else do it for you; a person you argued with.
Congratulations! You almost wrote a whole post without tripping the censor.
Good imagination. This thread was "dead" because I was doing this thing called work while you were taking the time out to post more ignorant, embarassing, childish ad-hominem. "OMG you're a liar liar liar liar." A person capable of accepting differing opinions, you are not.
So why ain't you at work now? Oh, I know, even in Florida it's probably a little too early and cold to be washing other people's cars. Or is it boats? Both? I'll be in the area next month, will you give me a discount? There'll be lot's of road grime from the trip down.
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I've forgotten more than you've ever thought of, and you're never going to change that.
At your young age, you couldn't have learned much yet. I was welding yesterday. Since a well-bred chimp can be taught to weld, I understand why you had to have someone else do it for you; a person you argued with.
Congratulations! You almost wrote a whole post without tripping the censor.
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
I am personally responsible for millions of dollars of machines, and I do a whole [censored] of a lot more than simply maintain them. I take apart and put back together $200,000+ machines for multi-millionaires, to their great satisfaction. None of my clients have ever had a complaint about anything I have done for them, and my business is VERY successful.
Good work! You'll make the cover of Car Detailer magazine in no time!
I am personally responsible for millions of dollars of machines, and I do a whole [censored] of a lot more than simply maintain them. I take apart and put back together $200,000+ machines for multi-millionaires, to their great satisfaction. None of my clients have ever had a complaint about anything I have done for them, and my business is VERY successful.
Good work! You'll make the cover of Car Detailer magazine in no time!
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