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I believe that now that the UOA has pretty much ruled out any Mobil 1 product, paying for a mechanic to perform a tear down and then waiting for Mobil 1 to come to the conclusion that they will not cover this, would be postponing the inevitable.
 
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
Is taking out the intake Camshaft easy?

I want to remoce it to inspect the bearings and oil passages and cam bearings. I thought it was just mark the gear teeth, undo the camshaft bolts.. and then reinstall.


I thought you were planning on putting the oil pan back on with the clean pickup screen and then firing the engine up with clean oil?
 
Originally Posted By: HondaBroMike
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: HondaBroMike
People are stuck on Mobil cause of its long past and need to get over it. High NA on used oil analysis, consumption, fast forward to 2017.18 and I've had 'generic' 0w-20s not burn a drop.

I hate high NA on a used oil analysis.

What's "NA"?

The elements of the periodic table sorted by symbol
Symbol Name chemical element
N Nitrogen
Na Sodium

Ahha it was a misspelling. I see now.

Yeah, I have a minor in Chemistry and I think I first memorized the periodic table in junior high so I know what sodium is. Thanks.

So you're saying that people who use Mobil 1 have high sodium levels on a used oil analysis? Really? Where's it coming from?
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
Is taking out the intake Camshaft easy?

I want to remoce it to inspect the bearings and oil passages and cam bearings. I thought it was just mark the gear teeth, undo the camshaft bolts.. and then reinstall.




There are more steps than I anticipate (note toyota engine different engine)

https://youtu.be/uz6l3cmXcy0?t=536


You could pull one of the caps and inspect, rather than taking the cams out. You take them out, they will need to be re-timed, something I'm guessing you aren't familiar with given you are asking about the wisdom of taking them out
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It's been a while since I timed an engine but have a timing gun in my garage somewhere. The exhaust cam is connected to the timing belt to the left. The intake can appears to be driven by the gearing on the right. I thought I might be able to remove the intake side without messing up the timing.

Z06. I had the mechanic come look at it. Waiting on his report and recommendation write up so I can send it to XOM. All this waiting and hearing u guys say it's not oil is making me nervous.

If XOM deny I will try to clean up myself. But still curious if those oil passages are plugged like the pickup. Flush won't do a thing to those holes I imagine. Knowing the condition of the bearings will also tell me what to do with the car. Also tempted to do the spark plugs, timing belts, gaskets.. several hundred I imagine. But if would be dumb if I need to get rid of the car.
 
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
I had the mechanic come look at it. Waiting on his report and recommendation write up so I can send it to XOM. All this waiting and hearing u guys say it's not oil is making me nervous.


I'd be surprised that Mobil would say they are going to pay for everthing without them investigating more on their side. Especially if they get to see the used oil analysis and videos in order to determine if they are actually responsible.
 
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
It's been a while since I timed an engine but have a timing gun in my garage somewhere.


I think you're confusing ignition timing with valve timing.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

This is the kind of brand-biased tripe that has been peddled on here enough to erode the technical reputation of this forum. You don't like Mobil, awesome, nobody cares! If you don't like it, don't use it, but your opinion of the brand has no place in a technical thread, which this is. If you want to start your own thread about how and why you hate Mobil, feel free, but don't needlessly pollute somebody else's thread with that garbage.


Precisely; and almost as absurd as the voodoo nonsense about M1 parroted on some of the Mazdaspeed forums.
 
Picture of picture … even in my small town there are still some horrible oils for sale … sitting next to Mobil super or Delo supreme, Formula Shell … for a buck fifty less …
I don’t normally push for more regulation but totally unreal what “legal” products are out there …


 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
I had the mechanic come look at it. Waiting on his report and recommendation write up so I can send it to XOM. All this waiting and hearing u guys say it's not oil is making me nervous.


I'd be surprised that Mobil would say they are going to pay for everthing without them investigating more on their side. Especially if they get to see the used oil analysis and videos in order to determine if they are actually responsible.


I'd also be surprised, I think the problem is with the store where the oil was purchased. The odds the OP poured a fresh off the line XOM product in his engine are slim to none imo.
 
Originally Posted By: HondaBroMike
Stop being stuck in the past and step out into the future, for crying out loud. Everyone has head of the high NA returns on used oil analysis for run of the mill Mobil 1. We aren't speaking of thi new found love affair with the Mobil 1 0w-40 and all of that here so don't get all hissy fit on us.


Everybody develops head gasket leaks when the use Mobil 1?
I have never seen a VOA of any Mobil 1 product with more than a trace level of sodium.
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Copy/paste fail … but google US Economy motor oil (Chicago) if you want to see a con job …


Here is a PQIA analysis for their "5-30" oil from back in 2011...

http://www.pqiamerica.com/Janaury 2012 test results/useconomy.htm

Actually not as bad as some of the bogus oils they have looked at, but I suspect it has a good dose of unprocessed used motor oil in it. Too bad the PQIA didn't look at NOACK loss and TBN...
 
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
It's been a while since I timed an engine but have a timing gun in my garage somewhere.






I think you're confusing ignition timing with valve timing.


You are right. Last I did it on was a 95 civic (distributor) I remmember it was just put CYL 1 to TDC and then match every thing up in line. I imagine with distributor less it was to have the cam TDC..etc would removing the intake cam and reinstalling in the same place (match the same gear teeth on the exhaust cam) mess with the timing of the cams? I am getting the service manual from a friend soon.
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Copy/paste fail … but google US Economy motor oil (Chicago) if you want to see a con job …



That is sketchy and can ruins someones day easily! Funny thing is that that company is listed about 10mins of where I work...
 
A couple posts up you stated waiting on something from your mechanic to send to exxon. IMO, waste of time.

You yourself, took exxon off the hook already. You had an oil analysis done, and it is not oil. Mobil 1 containers come with oil in them from the factory. You are not the special person that can state otherwise. Sorry. The best lawyer in the world won't win this argument, and Mobil is going to do nothing for you. No one else has complained, so it is not exxon at fault.

If you want to go after someone, the only choice is walmart. Explain the issue to local walmart. See if they can trace the bottle as a returned item. When you are done there, contact corporate walmart with your facts, videos, etc, and see where it goes. Anything else is a waste of time and energy. Also, when you accuse Mobil 1 of putting something other than oil in it's containers (that will be what it comes down to), they might just sue you for false accusations or whatever the lawyers can come up with. They will have all the evidence it shipped with mobil 1, you will have nothing.

The oil was swapped with something else. Some idiot screwed you. It sucks. Hopefully Walmart will come through.
 
I think I know what it is; BLOOD!
Blood coagulates exactly like that. What's the possibility that someone returned used oil with blood in it as a VERY SICK joke!
I mean, everyone has TRIED to guess what it is, I'm throwing this at it!
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Originally Posted By: Jooksing


It's been a while since I timed an engine but have a timing gun in my garage somewhere.


I meant camshaft timing, not ignition timing. The events at which the intake and exhaust valves open/close. That needs to be set properly.
 
I don't believe what you have is sludge. Sludge has the consistency of grease, what you have is "stringy" which makes it different. Is what you have also tacky?
 
Check out the second link...

and some said only after 1000 miles..
I know its not quite the same as sludge (carbonized stuff) but I am willing to guess most people will describe it as such.
 
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Originally Posted By: Jooksing
Check out the second link...

and some said only after 1000 miles..
I know its not quite the same as sludge (carbonized stuff) but I am willing to guess most people will describe it as such.


It's a pretty unique product to be honest. It looks like relatively clean new product (sludge never does) yet has that bizarre consistency. I doubt you'll find many true parallels because whatever you have generally doesn't make itself into people's sumps.
 
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