My point is importing raw materials that you don't have is good and smart. Closing down your own industries and offshoring and importing finished goods doesn't benefit the US economy. It's false economics and it's just about entirely self-imposed and not out of necessity.
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
It's not "competition" anymore when it is TOTALLY one sided in the other side's favor.
It is currently set up so that they know that "they are going to win".
Wasn't that set up like that for the US one century ago?
You had your time back then for dumping others' economy, that is Asia time now.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
So what should we do genius, give up and die a slow painful death in the name of 'principles', or practice a little protectionism/restriction (as they ALL DO) and survive??
The Genius in me will tell you that the US will have to reinvent itself in order to survive the new environment. A little bit like Europe did a century ago (still history repeating itself with no body listening as we know better).
BTW, Protectionism/restriction will kill you faster than free market (according to all economists anyway, but what do they know compare to us?), and they may do some protectionism, but that is mainly in response to US protectionism.
Check the internet to see which country is the most protectionist (while promoting free market)?
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Or are you suggesting we go commie? (
Like that would go over well with the likes of the members on here!
)
As for going communist, you can try ;-P.
It is still funny that you only see the world in black and white.
Since free capitalism did not work for us, we should go communist!! You are so funny with these remarks. You loose your credibility a little bit more each time, but still funny to read.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
BTW; I have NOTHING AT ALL against Canucks, but since you have NO mass market auto makers HEADQUARTERED/BASED there, you've lost the right to comment on how WE feel, and what WE are going through currently.
And why Canada don't have any auto maker?
Check your history and you will see the US force us to stop our production.
We went through the same process that you are going through right now, but in our case, it was because of the US, not the Asian countries.
Another nice example of the US "free market": Killing the competition before it gets some importance.
Same thing goes the the Arrows aircraft, BTW.
BTW, You have no authority to take away my right to comment on this matter.
It's not "competition" anymore when it is TOTALLY one sided in the other side's favor.
It is currently set up so that they know that "they are going to win".
Wasn't that set up like that for the US one century ago?
You had your time back then for dumping others' economy, that is Asia time now.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
So what should we do genius, give up and die a slow painful death in the name of 'principles', or practice a little protectionism/restriction (as they ALL DO) and survive??
The Genius in me will tell you that the US will have to reinvent itself in order to survive the new environment. A little bit like Europe did a century ago (still history repeating itself with no body listening as we know better).
BTW, Protectionism/restriction will kill you faster than free market (according to all economists anyway, but what do they know compare to us?), and they may do some protectionism, but that is mainly in response to US protectionism.
Check the internet to see which country is the most protectionist (while promoting free market)?
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Or are you suggesting we go commie? (
As for going communist, you can try ;-P.
It is still funny that you only see the world in black and white.
Since free capitalism did not work for us, we should go communist!! You are so funny with these remarks. You loose your credibility a little bit more each time, but still funny to read.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
BTW; I have NOTHING AT ALL against Canucks, but since you have NO mass market auto makers HEADQUARTERED/BASED there, you've lost the right to comment on how WE feel, and what WE are going through currently.
And why Canada don't have any auto maker?
Check your history and you will see the US force us to stop our production.
We went through the same process that you are going through right now, but in our case, it was because of the US, not the Asian countries.
Another nice example of the US "free market": Killing the competition before it gets some importance.
Same thing goes the the Arrows aircraft, BTW.
BTW, You have no authority to take away my right to comment on this matter.
The US traditionally allows other countries to take advantage of it's ridiculous trade policies.
Not everyone agrees with the way our country is going. Their voices will be heard in the upcoming elections.
Not everyone agrees with the way our country is going. Their voices will be heard in the upcoming elections.
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Closing down your own industries and offshoring and importing finished goods doesn't benefit the US economy. It's false economics and it's just about entirely self-imposed and not out of necessity.
Blame those silly good ole union boys for causing this mess.
Closing down your own industries and offshoring and importing finished goods doesn't benefit the US economy. It's false economics and it's just about entirely self-imposed and not out of necessity.
Blame those silly good ole union boys for causing this mess.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
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Closing down your own industries and offshoring and importing finished goods doesn't benefit the US economy. It's false economics and it's just about entirely self-imposed and not out of necessity.
Blame those silly good ole union boys for causing this mess.
No politicians and corporate bigwigs.
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Closing down your own industries and offshoring and importing finished goods doesn't benefit the US economy. It's false economics and it's just about entirely self-imposed and not out of necessity.
Blame those silly good ole union boys for causing this mess.
No politicians and corporate bigwigs.
The people themselves own a lot of the blame. Too many People believe they are entitled to a college degree (at someone else’s expense of course), expensive car, a big house and a high flying lifestyle without getting their hands dirty.
I collect watches (mostly high end mechanical and automatic) but on the TV there are folks buying a cheap piece of junk and being told it compares to these hand built mechanical masterpieces.
The point is many folks have become convinced that real quality is a fraud and the manufacturers of hand made high quality goods made with craftsmanship are ripping them off and charging a fortune only for the name.
Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes.
Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
This is applicable to almost everything we buy today; folks want all the toys for little money and could care less if someone is enslaved in some sweat shop as long as they get what they feel they are entitled to.
IMO we need to change our mentality and demand American companies produce their goods to a higher quality right here, then reinforce your position with your wallet.
I collect watches (mostly high end mechanical and automatic) but on the TV there are folks buying a cheap piece of junk and being told it compares to these hand built mechanical masterpieces.
The point is many folks have become convinced that real quality is a fraud and the manufacturers of hand made high quality goods made with craftsmanship are ripping them off and charging a fortune only for the name.
Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes.
Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
This is applicable to almost everything we buy today; folks want all the toys for little money and could care less if someone is enslaved in some sweat shop as long as they get what they feel they are entitled to.
IMO we need to change our mentality and demand American companies produce their goods to a higher quality right here, then reinforce your position with your wallet.
very well said.
Continual demand for cheaper [censored] has ruined quality.
Continual demand for cheaper [censored] has ruined quality.
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Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes. Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
When you compare yourself to another car manufacturer , you always want to be compared against 'the gold standard' such as Mercedes.
Did you notice Hyundai didn't mention GM ?
I wonder why is that.
Same thing goes when I tell people that my college degree from University of Miami is just as good as a degree from Yale.
Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes. Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
When you compare yourself to another car manufacturer , you always want to be compared against 'the gold standard' such as Mercedes.
Did you notice Hyundai didn't mention GM ?
Same thing goes when I tell people that my college degree from University of Miami is just as good as a degree from Yale.
Unfortunately, other than through the power of the strike, or by choosing to pay extra for other mfr.s products (no company discount)-the average GM/Chrysler/UAW employee had NO WAY to change the direction of the company, other than trying to do their own job to the best of their ability. Toyota is now learning the hard way what happens when you get too big & too greedy & put the bottom line ahead of your customer's safety.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
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Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes. Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
When you compare yourself to another car manufacturer , you always want to be compared against 'the gold standard' such as Mercedes.
Did you notice Hyundai didn't mention GM ?
I wonder why is that.
Same thing goes when I tell people that my college degree from University of Miami is just as good as a degree from Yale.
Of course they want themselves to be compared to a high standard but my question is where does comparison stop and deception begin?
If a product is being compared in its entirety against a higher level product to show value for the money that’s fair enough. To selectively choose a singe area of comparison is IMO a veiled attempt at deceiving potential buyers into thinking there is some sort of product equality. Classic advertizing smoke and mirrors.
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Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes. Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
When you compare yourself to another car manufacturer , you always want to be compared against 'the gold standard' such as Mercedes.
Did you notice Hyundai didn't mention GM ?
Same thing goes when I tell people that my college degree from University of Miami is just as good as a degree from Yale.
Of course they want themselves to be compared to a high standard but my question is where does comparison stop and deception begin?
If a product is being compared in its entirety against a higher level product to show value for the money that’s fair enough. To selectively choose a singe area of comparison is IMO a veiled attempt at deceiving potential buyers into thinking there is some sort of product equality. Classic advertizing smoke and mirrors.
Originally Posted By: Trav
The people themselves own a lot of the blame. Too many People believe they are entitled to a college degree (at someone else’s expense of course), expensive car, a big house and a high flying lifestyle without getting their hands dirty.
I collect watches (mostly high end mechanical and automatic) but on the TV there are folks buying a cheap piece of junk and being told it compares to these hand built mechanical masterpieces.
The point is many folks have become convinced that real quality is a fraud and the manufacturers of hand made high quality goods made with craftsmanship are ripping them off and charging a fortune only for the name.
Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes.
Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
This is applicable to almost everything we buy today; folks want all the toys for little money and could care less if someone is enslaved in some sweat shop as long as they get what they feel they are entitled to.
IMO we need to change our mentality and demand American companies produce their goods to a higher quality right here, then reinforce your position with your wallet.
Oh I totally agree much of the blame falls on the average person and the populace who want something for nothing, can't think for themselves, and are shortsided only thinking of their own interest not realizing what they do will come back to bite them.
But the media and politicians have the most influence and responsibility to do what's right and what's in the best interest of America and Americans and they do not do this even if they are going against popular opinion. They are the ones that lead and even forced this "global economy", "free trade" on us. Most Americans deserve what they get, but others who try to do the right thing get dragged down with them.
The people themselves own a lot of the blame. Too many People believe they are entitled to a college degree (at someone else’s expense of course), expensive car, a big house and a high flying lifestyle without getting their hands dirty.
I collect watches (mostly high end mechanical and automatic) but on the TV there are folks buying a cheap piece of junk and being told it compares to these hand built mechanical masterpieces.
The point is many folks have become convinced that real quality is a fraud and the manufacturers of hand made high quality goods made with craftsmanship are ripping them off and charging a fortune only for the name.
Hyundai has even found a way to do this with their Sonata paint by comparing it to Mercedes.
Implying this car compares to the MB in any way is just playing mind games.
This is applicable to almost everything we buy today; folks want all the toys for little money and could care less if someone is enslaved in some sweat shop as long as they get what they feel they are entitled to.
IMO we need to change our mentality and demand American companies produce their goods to a higher quality right here, then reinforce your position with your wallet.
Oh I totally agree much of the blame falls on the average person and the populace who want something for nothing, can't think for themselves, and are shortsided only thinking of their own interest not realizing what they do will come back to bite them.
But the media and politicians have the most influence and responsibility to do what's right and what's in the best interest of America and Americans and they do not do this even if they are going against popular opinion. They are the ones that lead and even forced this "global economy", "free trade" on us. Most Americans deserve what they get, but others who try to do the right thing get dragged down with them.
There is a lot of truth there +100%
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Whats funny about this whole thread, is the ones bashing Hyundai by saying they don't compare, etc., are in the same populace as those who shunned Toyota, Honda, etc. in the 80's. Now look who took the lead over the big three because of that mentality.
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
The Koreans are doing to Japan, what Japan did to the USA.
Samsung is the new Sony as Hyundai is the new Toyota. Electronics, appliances, cars.....they want to put Japan out of business....lol.
We have many Samsung products -- phones, monitors, other consumer electrics. Always good quality at a good price. If I was buying an LCD tv today, I would research Samsung first before all others.
Hyundai might be making some of the best cars in the world today, but I am happy with what I have so am not in the market.
The Koreans are doing to Japan, what Japan did to the USA.
Samsung is the new Sony as Hyundai is the new Toyota. Electronics, appliances, cars.....they want to put Japan out of business....lol.
We have many Samsung products -- phones, monitors, other consumer electrics. Always good quality at a good price. If I was buying an LCD tv today, I would research Samsung first before all others.
Hyundai might be making some of the best cars in the world today, but I am happy with what I have so am not in the market.
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