My curiosity has gotten the best of me......

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I had never seen a Baldwin filter in person until today. Our towmotor guys uses them, I didn't know they were available around here. I have heard a lot of good things on here about them so I looked up their site. Found a local heavy truck service/supply shop that is a dealer and asked for pricing. Well wasn't I pleasently surprised to find that their pricing is pretty good! Way better than Wix or NAPA locally and even beats Wix from RockAuto at a years supply!

May have to give them a shot. Maybe not a "premium" filter like the K&N but I still don't know if I'll be able to run them twice to ofset the cost...lol
 
Hastings looks to be a decently made filter. Don't really understand the efficiency rating on the pdf. There's no beta listed, just bar graphs which look good.
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Also the results date to 07, since then Purolator has improved the efficiency of the Classic (old Prem. Plus) and the P1.

Baldwin too looks like a solid well made filter. Thing I've never understood is why a well made premium filter, uses only a nitrile rather than silicone adbv? Again, price and ready availibility as compared to Wix and Purolator would be the biggest drawback, imo.

Also, there was a study done here by river rat and posted here showing results of the filters used by many here. It's still relatively recent so the results fairly current. The thread is loaded with information regarding the filters tested. Unfortunately no Hastings included.

Also the separate summary here with conclusions here is interesting, at least to me.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Hastings looks to be a decently made filter. Don't really understand the efficiency rating on the pdf. There's no beta listed, just bar graphs which look good.
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At the bottom of those bar graphs it says:
"SAE HS806 Test: Flow Rate 3 gpm, PTI Fine Test Dust, 180F, Termination at 5 psi".

So, you'd have to look up SAE HS806 to see if there are any partial size call outs for "PTI Fine Dust" used in this test. The bar graphs are comparative, so apparently the Hastings did a little better than the others in the comparison per the SAE HS806 testing. And I agree ... the data is kind of old, 2007 vintage.
 
The Hastings and baldwin filters are both the same thing. A top shelf Clarcor. The numbers are different, the filters are not.

I have a Hastings dealer here that carries the Hastings premium filters, and the Fed Auto Parts (by hastings) that are the Clarcor ("Casite") type. For general short runs, the Fed filters are fine. 3$ a pop for the big Ford filter.. (Crown Vic, 500, Escape)... They are made well inside. If I was doing a 10K on Synth, I'd pony up for the top shelf Hastings.

Here's another filter chart.... from Amsoil....

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Apparently Amsoil thinks Hastings is respectable...
 
Again a bar graph, this from an independent Amsoil sales site. But, this one has no reference to the data used to determine the information referenced in the graph, what the bars represent (eg. flow, efficiency, holding capacity)? Or how old the data is.

Also, for an extended oci my preference would be for a filter with a silicone adbv. Even the ~$4 Wally sold Motorcraft FL-820-S has a silicone adbv.

Also, is there a reference for the statement of Hastings and Baldwin being the same except for the name on the filter?
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Again a bar graph, this from an independent Amsoil sales site. But, this one has no reference to the data used to determine the information referenced in the graph, what the bars represent (eg. flow, efficiency, holding capacity)? Or how old the data is...

I am suspicious of a chart that rates NAPA Gold far below WIX--for obvious reasons.
 
river_ratI am suspicious of a chart that rates NAPA Gold far below WIX--for obvious reasons. [/quote said:
I know... I found it weird too. There isn't that much difinative information out there.

The ADBV works fine, I've tried the pressure test. I'm not sold that Silicone is way better than Nitrele. Considering that I can get these for less money than Wix, I'm glad to use them.

It's just weird that nobody mentions them, I feel like I'm the one strange person around here that doesn't buy car stuff at Wal-Mart, is suspicious of LubroMoly, and doesn't swear by synthetic oil.
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Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Again a bar graph, this from an independent Amsoil sales site. But, this one has no reference to the data used to determine the information referenced in the graph, what the bars represent (eg. flow, efficiency, holding capacity)? Or how old the data is...

I am suspicious of a chart that rates NAPA Gold far below WIX--for obvious reasons.


+1 why would identical constructions vary that much?
 
Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Again a bar graph, this from an independent Amsoil sales site. But, this one has no reference to the data used to determine the information referenced in the graph, what the bars represent (eg. flow, efficiency, holding capacity)? Or how old the data is...

I am suspicious of a chart that rates NAPA Gold far below WIX--for obvious reasons.


...took the words out of my mouth. Amsoil does have Wix as an optional filter from their site/catalog. It only makes sense they would give them 'status' over the Napa Gold.
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The catalog for Hastings shows that for my app, the Hastings filter 'replaces' the Baldwin offering. Both, OTOH, have nitrile ADBV. This may explain the problems 777 describes.

Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
I had 2 defective Baldwins a few years ago. Startup rattle galore with them.

I will never buy Baldwins again.
 
Hi guys
Around where I live you have to look real hard to find these filters.It is easier to get something else.
 
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
...It's just weird that nobody mentions them, I feel like I'm the one strange person around here that doesn't buy car stuff at Wal-Mart, is suspicious of LubroMoly, and doesn't swear by synthetic oil.

They are good filters, but I don't get to where I buy them much, and I think that's the reason most people don't talk about them. Easier to run to NAPA and get a really good filter. Now I have to pay more for Balwin than NAPA Gold or WIX, and I actually like the NG/WIX better. If I step up a few bucks, I can get Mobil 1 or K&N almost anywhere and feel like my engine won't last any longer with any other filter, so why go out of the way for Baldwin/Hastings. I rarely shop at Wal-Mart, myself.

Anyway, I'm glad you started the thread, because the less usual and good quality filters are always interesting to discuss.

Originally Posted By: mimelio
+1 why would identical constructions vary that much?

Because maybe they 1. Just made it up randomly, or 2. Had a poorer performing NAPA Gold and didn't do a scientifically valid test sample size, or 3. Didn't test the same model of filter.
Not bagging on Amsoil, but there are not a lot of scientificly fair tests that go into bar charts used for advertizing purposes.
 
If you can't find a vendor, then it makes sense to get what you can. I've got a vendor with a good price, so they are a totally valid option here. Our guys carry the hastings variety, so my cars all the the white cans on them. I don't want to thumb my nose at Wix, but it sure seems there's lots of complaints lately.
 
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
If you can't find a vendor, then it makes sense to get what you can. I've got a vendor with a good price, so they are a totally valid option here. Our guys carry the hastings variety, so my cars all the the white cans on them. I don't want to thumb my nose at Wix, but it sure seems there's lots of complaints lately.

Sounds reasonable.
Maybe if we used thousands of Hastings over a period of years on this board, we have a few leakers or whatever on those too.
 
i know what u mean,,,,i get my baldwin filters from a store that has stools at the counter,,it isn't clean and bright,,it is full of parts,,hardware,,chains and binders,,things to work with,,baldwin filters have always done a good job for me.
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The company that makes Hastings and Baldwin products needs to supply chain stores if they want to get the volume customers.

If all their filters are made in the USA I would definitely be influenced by that fact. Many others would be too. I actually wouldn't care about sales as much on USA made products because I know I would be helping my fellow citizens.
 
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Originally Posted By: cp3
river_rat, what is it you like about Wix/NAPA Gold better than Baldwin? Any chance it's the dome end bypass? Just curious as my apps have an internal bypass.


Yes. Availabiltiy, I trust in their good balance of easy flow and filtration, sturdy, thread end bypass. Lots of media in my applications. Wix/NG scored well in my own informal filtration tests, although I did have one that had a tear and kind of failed, but I think I tore it opening it. All the rest did great.

So, since it is a known familiar quantity, and my engine bypasses some much above 3000 RPM according to a pressure drop test I did on that actual engine with the specified 51348 Wix oil filter, I prefer the thread end bypass.

I still would use Balwin/Hastings in som apps, if I could get them locally.
 
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