Fair enough, but I'm not sure a long OCI had anything to do with this problem. Perhaps changing the oil more often would have masked the head gasket leak??
My civic's 9 year experience with amsoil
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General recommendations for 25k oil change intervals in passenger cars is kind of lame, regardless of oil. That aside, our 87 Civic also lasted only 120k miles, before we donated it. It was blowing blue smoke at start up, down on compression in one cylinder, carb needed to be rebuilt, etc., which I attribute to driving up and down the hill that we live on several times a day with up to five in the car - the little 1.5L isn't the best choice for such things.
The mechanic needed to make a boat payment.
Had a g/f who bought new a '94 Accord and put 250K+ on it with a strict diet of Honda dealer OCI's between 3-5K. I've seen the stack of receipts and she only had a couple OCI's at Jiffy Boob type places. Her dealer did 90% of the oil changes. Car still runs fine; motor's never been apart and has only seen needed services (timing belts, tune up's, etc).
Moral of the story? Ya don't need that fancy-shmancy MLM lubricants. The stuff the dealers sell is the bestest for your car and will make it last forver and ever and ever.
Moral of the story? Ya don't need that fancy-shmancy MLM lubricants. The stuff the dealers sell is the bestest for your car and will make it last forver and ever and ever.
i shared the story because it gives me nitemares to this day! 3 years and now i can let it go. this is the first time i've vented! don't blame me! blame it all on BITOG for giving me flashbacks!
and that was the only "oil skeleton" in my closet. i am now clean...and would never wait so long between oci's again.
now who's brave enough to share their skeleton's??
My aunt only changes her oil once a year. And I'm the one that does it for her. Either Valvooline, Penzoil, with either a wally or fram filter. It's a 1983 Chevy Pickup with a 350. The 350 is not original though, engine replaced about 10 years ago. So 10 years of short trips changing once a year with conventional oil.
Just goes to show, you never know what engine will last and won't. More frequent changes and you would at least know for sure whether the OCI was part of the problem.
But just because it's a honda is no guarantee that it will last 300K (or that it would have/should have with better oci).
Just goes to show, you never know what engine will last and won't. More frequent changes and you would at least know for sure whether the OCI was part of the problem.
But just because it's a honda is no guarantee that it will last 300K (or that it would have/should have with better oci).
Running extended engine oil drains without properly interpreted UOA is like flying in the clouds without instruments, stay straight and level and all seems fine.
Changing your oil every 3000-5000 is like flying though the clouds without instruments with a peek at the ground every 20 minutes, roll inverted when the inner ear is confused and if you just happen to be in that 20 minute blind flying portion the result is the same....spin....JFKJr....crash....
Undetected problems can be very small but over time will bite the host engine.
The cost for that kind of instrumentation ( oil analysis) is off set easily by improved efficiency,performance, and earlier less costly repairs.
Terry
Changing your oil every 3000-5000 is like flying though the clouds without instruments with a peek at the ground every 20 minutes, roll inverted when the inner ear is confused and if you just happen to be in that 20 minute blind flying portion the result is the same....spin....JFKJr....crash....
Undetected problems can be very small but over time will bite the host engine.
The cost for that kind of instrumentation ( oil analysis) is off set easily by improved efficiency,performance, and earlier less costly repairs.
Terry
Im starting out with 6 month oil changes with Series 2000 this time around and next spring ill use up the rest of my Series 3000 with both getting UOA's even if it looks great ill stick with those intervals. Im going to compair both UOA's and see which one is best and go with that.
Call me crazy, but failure of a head gasket is not an oil-related EVENT. So, regardless of which oil was in there, eventually the issues that caused the oil burning would have surfaced until the leak or whatever was repaired.
Antifreeze doesn't have to be swirling around in the oil for very long to cause problems.
Antifreeze doesn't have to be swirling around in the oil for very long to cause problems.
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i shared the story because it gives me nitemares to this day! 3 years and now i can let it go. this is the first time i've vented! don't blame me! blame it all on BITOG for giving me flashbacks!
and that was the only "oil skeleton" in my closet. i am now clean...and would never wait so long between oci's again.
now who's brave enough to share their skeleton's??
Get over it dude its not the end of the world.
This is so true! People think Honda's are some supreme automotive entity. I've been in the (auto) business for a long time, Honda's are virtually no different to any other manufacturer.
Another thing to consider is that seals will only stay soft for so long. 9 years is a long time for a seal to stay soft.If it took 9 years to put 120,000 miles on the car you must have had mostly short trips. I have no doubt that short trips mixed with a single yearly OCI did have some effect on the engines life cycle.I too have always considered their 25,000 mile oil change a bit much!! Is this pre-VTEC??? I ask because the VTEC Honda engines are known to use some oil and most Honda's start to use more oil at 120,000 miles and a lot of them deveolp piston slapp on start up. They still tend to motor on for 200,000-300,000 miles you simply have to check the oil more often.
I am guessing your valve stem seals and guides were shot!!! Valve stem guides and seals do not take well to dirty corrisive oil.
I am guessing your valve stem seals and guides were shot!!! Valve stem guides and seals do not take well to dirty corrisive oil.
Terry it is funny you mention instrument flying. I was a flight instructor while still in college. In the beginning you are doing everything you can to get the students to not look so much at the intruments and to look out the windscreen and learn VFR flying. Latter on when it is time to teach instruments training for IFR it is harder then heck to get them to only use intruments. Even with restrictive glass's and visor's you catch them trying to cheat!!! We ought to do it the way doolittle did it and black bag all of the plexi or lexan surfaces!! IF you are going to fly blind you might as go all the way!
Loved the analogie above!!!
Loved the analogie above!!!
Maybe 25K OCI, if you did 100% highway miles.
That's an average of 13,333 miles per year.
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