My car beat up a PureOne
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I just changed the oil (Pennzoil Conventional 5w30) on my dad's 2005 Malibu with the 3.5 liter.
It had less than 3k miles and was a little over a 6 month OCI. No obvious coolant issues. Car only has 22k miles on it.
The P1 I took off of it looked EXACTLY like the one your pics show. I was a little worried after looking at it. The top medal end cap came off without any effort too. I've never known a P1 end cap to fall off?
I asked about his commutes and he explained he drives to/from work, all city, roughly 20-25 minutes and 15 or so miles.
Could it be it got loaded and went into bypass? Any ways to tell?
It had less than 3k miles and was a little over a 6 month OCI. No obvious coolant issues. Car only has 22k miles on it.
The P1 I took off of it looked EXACTLY like the one your pics show. I was a little worried after looking at it. The top medal end cap came off without any effort too. I've never known a P1 end cap to fall off?
I asked about his commutes and he explained he drives to/from work, all city, roughly 20-25 minutes and 15 or so miles.
Could it be it got loaded and went into bypass? Any ways to tell?
I have a 2003 Impala with the 3.4 engine, and my PureOne filter comes off with wavy pleats like that too after an OCI of about 5-6K. However, my engine shows no sign of any coolant loss, so I'm assuming for the moment that I don't have the intake manifold gasket problem. With that much coolant loss, I would assume you need that gasket taken care of ASAP.
Every Purolator filter I've used has had 1 - 2 pleats tear from the end-caps like this. Always the same location by the clamp. I think there is just something lacking in flow design and/or product engineering with these filters. I'm sure the filters function okay still, but they're "a good deal" for a reason.
I've used them in a 2004 Honda Element, 2001 Kia Sportage, and 2008 Subaru Forester. Now-a-days, I try to just stick with OEM; however, the Honda has a Napa Gold on it now.
PL14610
I've used them in a 2004 Honda Element, 2001 Kia Sportage, and 2008 Subaru Forester. Now-a-days, I try to just stick with OEM; however, the Honda has a Napa Gold on it now.
PL14610
the "gritty" stuff you are seeing are metal shavings from it being cut open with a dremel. the oil used was not thick at all. mobil 1 10w30 to be exact... she has pennzoil platinum with a fram extended guard right now. (i'd like to see it bend the metal backed layers in this filter!)
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I've had zero issues with P1's including the PL14610 and at the endcap/seam area. The one below was run 1 year/7100 miles with no issues.
Also regarding P1's flow, Busa's posted flow chart shows P1's excellent flow characteristics.
I'm wouldn't be concerned about wavy media, but the OP's post looks like there is something more going on.
Also regarding P1's flow, Busa's posted flow chart shows P1's excellent flow characteristics.
I'm wouldn't be concerned about wavy media, but the OP's post looks like there is something more going on.
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
the "gritty" stuff you are seeing are metal shavings from it being cut open with a dremel. the oil used was not thick at all. mobil 1 10w30 to be exact... she has pennzoil platinum with a fram extended guard right now. (i'd like to see it bend the metal backed layers in this filter!)
How long and how many miles were on that pureone?
Looks like it was either in service to long or there is a moisture issue.
the "gritty" stuff you are seeing are metal shavings from it being cut open with a dremel. the oil used was not thick at all. mobil 1 10w30 to be exact... she has pennzoil platinum with a fram extended guard right now. (i'd like to see it bend the metal backed layers in this filter!)
How long and how many miles were on that pureone?
Looks like it was either in service to long or there is a moisture issue.
shoot, good question. cant believe i didnt put that in the original post. that filter has about 4 months, and 5000 miles on it. again, it was ran with mobil 1 10w30
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Guess I'm cutting mine open now. Does a wavy/warped media really mean anything? Poor quality in materials?
Originally Posted By: defektes
hah, if this were an ecore...
Isn't that the truth.
hah, if this were an ecore...
Isn't that the truth.
I've got mixed feelings.
The last one I cut open that came off my Silverado looked perfect - much like sayjac's post above.
The 2 that came off my parent's Venture and Malibu looked awful. And the end cap fell off without me even prying on it. Both had seriously wavy media, to the point where I checked for tears. I explained the Malibu already. The Venture had 5k miles on it, 4 month OCI, and went on a 1,000 mile trip so I can't imagine moisture. Before you ask, yes it has had the intake gasket changed a a year or so ago.
I went ahead and picked up a few classics for the next OCI. If it happens with them, I'll be considering switching to something else for their applications.
The last one I cut open that came off my Silverado looked perfect - much like sayjac's post above.
The 2 that came off my parent's Venture and Malibu looked awful. And the end cap fell off without me even prying on it. Both had seriously wavy media, to the point where I checked for tears. I explained the Malibu already. The Venture had 5k miles on it, 4 month OCI, and went on a 1,000 mile trip so I can't imagine moisture. Before you ask, yes it has had the intake gasket changed a a year or so ago.
I went ahead and picked up a few classics for the next OCI. If it happens with them, I'll be considering switching to something else for their applications.
Am I wrong, or do most of these P1 warped media reports seem to be on GM V6s (3.4, 3.5, 3.8)? Same engines that have had intake manifold gasket problems, but it makes me wonder if the two problems could somehow be exacerbated by some characteristic of these engines. One thing is they do not have bypass valves in the filter, so could these engines be prone to clogging the built-in bypass valve causing unusual pressure differentials, particularly during cold start ups? Just a crazy theory...
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Interesting thought.
Just an FYI, the P1 10111 does have an ADBV though.
It has an adbv but no spec'd bypass. It seems (and has been discussed) the GM built-in bybass is supposed to eliminate the need for a spec'd one in filter. Theory not so far fetched. It is something all these engines have in common. Wavy media is one thing, indicating some moisture/condensation. OP's media goes beyond that, could be a combination of things.
*Part Number: PL10111 Specifications:
Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes
Height 3.36
O.D. 2.98
Relief Valve P.S.I. None
Threads M18x1.5-S
Type of Filter Spin-on
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL10111
Interesting thought.
Just an FYI, the P1 10111 does have an ADBV though.
It has an adbv but no spec'd bypass. It seems (and has been discussed) the GM built-in bybass is supposed to eliminate the need for a spec'd one in filter. Theory not so far fetched. It is something all these engines have in common. Wavy media is one thing, indicating some moisture/condensation. OP's media goes beyond that, could be a combination of things.
*Part Number: PL10111 Specifications:
Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes
Height 3.36
O.D. 2.98
Relief Valve P.S.I. None
Threads M18x1.5-S
Type of Filter Spin-on
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=PL10111
I was thinking that the same sludge that is created when Dexcool and oil mix could be plugging up the in-engine bypass valve. Has anyone ever taken one of these in-engine oil bypass valves out? Should it be inspected or replaced periodically?
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Am I wrong, or do most of these P1 warped media reports seem to be on GM V6s (3.4, 3.5, 3.8)? Same engines that have had intake manifold gasket problems, but it makes me wonder if the two problems could somehow be exacerbated by some characteristic of these engines. One thing is they do not have bypass valves in the filter, so could these engines be prone to clogging the built-in bypass valve causing unusual pressure differentials, particularly during cold start ups? Just a crazy theory...
Sounds like a reasonable theory to me.
Am I wrong, or do most of these P1 warped media reports seem to be on GM V6s (3.4, 3.5, 3.8)? Same engines that have had intake manifold gasket problems, but it makes me wonder if the two problems could somehow be exacerbated by some characteristic of these engines. One thing is they do not have bypass valves in the filter, so could these engines be prone to clogging the built-in bypass valve causing unusual pressure differentials, particularly during cold start ups? Just a crazy theory...
Sounds like a reasonable theory to me.
I'm not sure it has anything to do with clogging, but can't say for sure. The 05 Malibu has 22k miles on it. I did the last oil change and took off an AC Delco (look-a-like) - no idea what the fill was. I put in Pennzoil Conventional and a P1 10111. This ran about 6 months, less than 3k miles. It turned dark pretty quickly, indicating some cleaning took place, but wasn't black by any means. It could be the maintenance on this vehicle was a bit shoddy before my parents bought it used in 08.
Either way, I'd say that AuthorEditor is on to something. Any way to investigate it from here?
Either way, I'd say that AuthorEditor is on to something. Any way to investigate it from here?
The bypass valve in the GM engines is typically located in the oil filter mount on the block. It should be removable for inspection, cleaning and/or replacement once the oil filter is removed. Consult the service manual for details.
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