So the refurb could be a good deal, if you get the right one. They told me that the factory repairs any defective parts, but what you say makes more sense. Joe Blow returns his because he just didn't like the way the controls are arranged, or he found a better deal. Now a perfectly good player is on significant discount. Well, maybe refurb is the way to go.
OTOH, I can keep converting to mono and create tons of space on my 2 gig which I only listen to in mono anyway. I do like the display on the Sansa Clip. Also can sort by artist, album, genra, rating, and I think others.
Also that Radio Shack Sansa Clip 4 gig for $45 looks good compared to Meijer regular price of $50 for the 2 gig.
Thanks all, very good discussion.