Motul 300V Competition 5W-40

[NoGoal]

This is the newest 300V 5W40. Recognized as a top racing oil, but I will be using it for combined street and track (HPDE).
No mfr or API approvals, but Motul claims it provides LSPI protection, is compatible with E85, and is compatible with particulate filters.
Data sheet:
cSt @ 100C 13.5 (does not agree with Blackstone measurement)
HTHS 4.0
TBN 8.1

 

[fantastic]

Holy Moly! You just don't normally see that much Moly in oil... Nice! Although the viscosity 12.77 is a bit low for a 40. It still looks like a great oil though. Thanks!

 

[edyvw]

Holy Moly! You just don't normally see that much Moly in oil... Nice! Although the viscosity 12.77 is a bit low for a 40. It still looks like a great oil though. Thanks!

Blackstone warned a few years ago that bcs. most of their customers send UOA, their methodology is geared toward that. People should expect VOA to be not as accurate as UOA.

 

[fantastic]

Blackstone warned a few years ago that bcs. most of their customers send UOA, their methodology is geared toward that. People should expect VOA to be not as accurate as UOA.

I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[edyvw]

I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.

It is still informative, do not get me wrong. I have like 15qt of that's tuff, so good to know what is in

 

[fantastic]

It is still informative, do not get me wrong. I have like 15qt of that's tuff, so good to know what is in

And to add to that.. I've read where some labs say to use different testing standards, on some perimeter testing, for Virgin oil. If the lab doesn't use that specific testing for unused oil but instead uses the used oil standard it will throw off the numbers I would imagine.

 

[Indyxc]

Bumping this up again. Any downside running this in short oil change intervals, low miles on the street? Say, change every 6 months, 1000 miles in an application that calls for a 5w40? Downside other than frequency of oil change and cost?

 

[CivicFK2TypeR]

Motul says, depending on the load, the oil should be changed earlier. With normal use on the road, this can also remain 10000 kilometres inside.

 

[scrllock]

Bumping this up again. Any downside running this in short oil change intervals, low miles on the street? Say, change every 6 months, 1000 miles in an application that calls for a 5w40? Downside other than frequency of oil change and cost?

I'd order it from FCPeuro to bring the cost down and follow their suggested interval in case they give you grief over the free replacements:

The manufacturer recommends 5,000 miles or 6 months if used for normal street driving. For racing use or mixed track day use, change Motul 300V every 1,500 miles, 3 months, or every 2 to 3 track days.

 

[Indyxc]

Do they object at FCP if you try to swap it every 6 months?

 

[scrllock]

Do they object at FCP if you try to swap it every 6 months?

No. I've been swapping my fluid every 6 months for several years now. Spark plugs every 10k. Given their policy only objects to items returned "prior to the end of their reasonable, useful life" and that quote was from their own product page, I can't see it being denied.

 

[SpartanGA]

What’s the recommendation for drain internal?

I used this often in my Ducati super bike but I’d like to use it in my Porsche GT3RS.

Tracks days. Mountain rally’s. Lots of higher revs

I usually change 3500 miles. I did the same with 300V in my Ducati.

I currently use Motul x-max. My only other concern is lack of Porsche spec but this is a better oil

 

[NoGoal]

What’s the recommendation for drain internal?

I used this often in my Ducati super bike but I’d like to use it in my Porsche GT3RS.

Tracks days. Mountain rally’s. Lots of higher revs

I usually change 3500 miles. I did the same with 300V in my Ducati.

I currently use Motul x-max. My only other concern is lack of Porsche spec but this is a better oil

I have not seen anything from Motul on a recommended drain interval. I can say that I did a used oil analysis after 2,000 miles, which included 5 track days, and that the oil could have gone longer before being changed. Over on Rennlist there are comments that 3,000 miles of mixed street/track is OK.

 

[SpartanGA]

I have not seen anything from Motul on a recommended drain interval. I can say that I did a used oil analysis after 2,000 miles, which included 5 track days, and that the oil could have gone longer before being changed. Over on Rennlist there are comments that 3,000 miles of mixed street/track is OK.

Thanks. I’m far from expert but my concern is lack of detergents for longer drain interval?

I do blackstone each change. I may try and go 3-3.5k and check and compare.

 

[Indyxc]

Bumping this back up. Looking for an oil 5w40 that is very shear resistant for sprited road driving, and maybe the track, that is sold at FCP euro. Motul 300V 5w40 is. Thoughts on this oil in 2024?

My take:
1. High Moly, low detergents, high(er) ZDDP. All good at wear protection, at perhaps the cost of cleaning/ oci.
2. Ester formula is very shear resistant, infact it seems viscocity increases a bit overtime in my used oil analysis searches.

Thoughts in 24?

 

[JAG]

The amount of calcium and magnesium detergents is typical of many API SP oils. What the VOA can’t show are the amount of dispersants and antioxidants, which are important for how long the oil can last before causing deposits to increase at an increasing rate. Probably the best we can do is choose OCI based on what others have done without complaints of deposit issues. Choosing based on viscosity changes in used oil analysis is risky because some oils can experience increases in viscosity without deposit issues while others can experience those issues without any or much viscosity increase.

 

[NoGoal]

I ran this oil in my Audi TTS through several oil changes over a year and a half. It met all expectations on the track, including a 108 deg day at Thunderhill. However, street driving always left me with nagging concerns (possibly unfounded) about sludge and deposits, along the lines of JAG's comment. If you prefer Motul, several Audi drivers that do street and track swear by Motul 8100 X-cess Gen2 5W40 which has all the approvals (including BMW LL-01), and may be a better choice for your application.

I have decided to go another direction, with a shear-stable 5W30 with high HTHS (3.7) and VW504 approval. I will be driving my 5th track day on Ravenol VMP 5W30 this coming weekend, and will do a UOA and have the reults late February.

 

[Indyxc]

The amount of calcium and magnesium detergents is typical of many API SP oils. What the VOA can’t show are the amount of dispersants and antioxidants, which are important for how long the oil can last before causing deposits to increase at an increasing rate. Probably the best we can do is choose OCI based on what others have done without complaints of deposit issues. Choosing based on viscosity changes in used oil analysis is risky because some oils can experience increases in viscosity without deposit issues while others can experience those issues without any or much viscosity increase.

Thanks for the feedback. Application is a GT3 RS and BMW N55, spirted street driving, and track potentially for the N55. Looking for a FCP oil that will work for both. This one fits the bill I think. Not daily driven, and will change the oil every 1-2k miles, 6 months or less.

 

[JAG]

That’s an expensive way to go about it but those are expensive vehicles, so I understand the choice. I’m not even comfortable recommending anything related to a GT3 RS! I bet it is a blast to drive.

 

[edyvw]

That’s an expensive way to go about it but those are expensive vehicles, so I understand the choice. I’m not even comfortable recommending anything related to a GT3 RS! I bet it is a blast to drive.

You saw that UOA. Personally, I would run this oil only if car sees good amount of track. On that report, Castrol 0W40 that has 5,000mls had extensive track use. IMO, any vehicle that is not track weapon, should just stick to street oils. Only reason I used that 300V was that I got bunch of it for free.