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I'm researching bikes and came across Honda's NC700X that has a dual clutch option. Anyone have any practical experience with one? This would be my first bike ever, so my inclination is toward the CB500X, but I do really like the NC700X and am intrigued with this dual clutch system that eliminates traditional manual gear changes.

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I tried the VFR1200F with it and wasn't impressed. The transmission was noisy, there is a lot going on in there and you hear it.
I prefer to shift and operate the clutch myself. I like riding a motorcycle not a point and shoot camera with wheels.
 
Shifting is part of the fun on a motorcycle. Plus I'll second what Trav said about the noisy part, though I've heard they have gotten better the last year or so.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
I tried the VFR1200F with it and wasn't impressed. The transmission was noisy, there is a lot going on in there and you hear it.
I prefer to shift and operate the clutch myself. I like riding a motorcycle not a point and shoot camera with wheels.


This was my experience with a DCT VFR1200 as well. The DCT adds weight, and takes away a lot of the fun in riding, IMO.

OP, not everyone has the same expectations from a Motorcycle. A DCT trans equipped motorcycle might be perfect for you.
 
I feel like I'm a beta tester when new tech comes out. Having been in the business for a long time, seems like a lot of "gee whiz" stuff gets put on the motorcycle for testing and disappears in a year or two.
Interesting, fun, and complex....not necessary or good.
YMMV

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Originally Posted By: SwedishRider
Anyone have any practical experience with one?

We discussed this subject on here last year, but I can't find that thread now. Anyway, none of it was based on practical experience with this newest Honda trans. I'd suggest asking on an NC700X or CTX700 forum (both use the exact same engine/trans combo) where you'll be able to hear from actual users.

Auto trans is not for me personally, but it does seem to appeal to some people.
 
Visit "NC700-forum.com" if you would like detailed information and to hear from more actual owners.

I do own a 2012, NC700X ABS DCT. I have had 4 years riding experience with other motorcycles and scooters, big and small.

It was riding my scooter that I really enjoyed riding. Just twist and go, as they say. You don't think of gears or planning changes in advance of turns, passing, cruising... ect. Just ride. That is all you have to think about, is riding, and staying safe on the road.

I will say with confidence not everybody would like an automatic motorcycle. Sometimes I think about what it would be like shifting gears again. Then I get on the girlfriends standard motorcycle, and am instantly reminded why I don't like shifting gears anymore.

The DCT on the NC700 is a refined version of the original on the VFR1200 DCT. Smoother shifting, smaller unit, quieter. Every time it shifts it sounds just like a typical motorcycle. The shifting is extremely fast, aided by dual clutches, just like the performance cars. disengage gear x, while engaging gear y.

I use D mode 99% of the time. Keeping the RPM's very low, and just cruising along, but twist the throttle and it will downshift, and throttle up when you need/want to.

The S mode is great for hills, and "performance" riding style. Keeping the RPM's higher before shifting.

I currently have 7000 miles on my NC700X. I'd have more but I still use my 125cc PCX scooter, it has 11,000 miles and counting. I ride a lot, and the MPG of the NC700X is impressive (64), but the PCX can get 100 MPG.

Next, when you look at automatic motorcycles/scooters, you must pay attention to the transmission type, usually its DCT vs CVT. I'm just "ok" with CVT. Just revs like crazy, and you don't feel anything shifting, just power all the time, high in the RPM band, and then you have Belts and rollers and variator wear parts to replace more often than you replace an air filter. But CVT's have their place, mainly on small engine scooters. I'd not want one on a full size traditional design motorcycle.

I've had no issues with my DCT NC700x. But one that comes to mind is easily avoided:

1. Problem: Stuck in gear after shutdown. (*Cannot start the motorcycle in gear*)
How to avoid: Switch transmission to Neutral, then turn engine off with Key, Do not use Emergency Engine stop button.
Solution: Replace, or charge battery, rock bike back and forth as you manually switch gears to 1, then switch to neutral.

What happens: Shutting down the motorcycle while in gear leaves the transmission in gear. When you try to start the bike a weak battery does not have enough power to move the transmission to neutral. You cannot start this motorcycle in gear, it has to be in neutral.

As I've said, I love my DCT. I have no intentions of getting a different motorcycle any time soon. I do want a Liter supersport bike to blast around on for 20 minutes, but insurance for my age group is ridiculous. Maybe in 5 years.

Hope this helps add perspective.
 
Thank you for that very informative post! Yes, it added a lot of perspective, and a lot of food for thought. I'm going to head over to the forum that you posted and see what the opinions and reviews over there as I continue to read and research.

Thanks for your help!
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Yep, nc700-forum.com is a great site! Mine's not a DCT, or I'd comment on your question, too.
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