Motorcraft premium gold coolant?

[onion]

Originally Posted By: ZGRider
Originally Posted By: George7941

I don't worry about Dex-sludge because I don't neglect the cooling system.


No, you just have to watch your Dexcool like a hawk, so you don't get proven wrong. Nothing like have to change "Long-life" antifreeze every 2 years long before its recommended service interval just to say you "never have problems with Dexcool."

Keep up the anal-retentive work -- you want to be right about coolant. The rest of us coolant system non-maintainers will continue to use G-05 and have no worries for 5 full years per flush.

Goodbye brown Deathcool sludge, Hello G-05 goodness.


I can't join you there. I know I probably COULD leave the G05 in my cooling system alone for 5 years... probably wouldn't hurt a thing. But coolant is cheap and easy to change, unlike radiators and intake gaskets (I take a similar view of changing most automotive fluids). So I've been doing a drain & fill every 2-3 years. But yeah- no worries with G05.

 

[ZGRider]

Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
Originally Posted By: George7941
Originally Posted By: onion




George- do you have AIDS?

No?

Well... I reckon that means it ain't real, huh?





It is real, all right. What it means is that I don't indulge in high risk activities like intravenous drug use or unprotected sex and therefore I don't live my life worrying about catching AIDS. Similarly I don't worry about Dex-sludge because I don't neglect the cooling system.

Originally Posted By: ZGrider
Dexcool anyone?


Count me in.


Yup! Me too!

You got to love the Dexcool haters!

Personally I can not seeing why anyone would let their cooling system go 5 years WITHOUT checking it - regardless of what coolant they use! But to each their own.


How often do you change your oil -- every 1000 miles? That is the same as changing your "Long-Life" coolant every 2 or 3 years. Are you saying that people who use 5000 mile OCIs are not maintaining their vehicles properly?

You change your Dexcool antifreeze early because you really don't trust it either, and you are afraid you might void your warranty if you don't use it. Therefore, you continue to use it in spite of all the evidence to it's inferiority to other coolants, and you try to convince others of the wisdom of your decision because your fragile self-esteem won't allow you to admit your irrationality.

In other words, you feel you are smarter that all the other automakers engineers who have rejected Dexcool and that GM knows better.

 

[George7941]

Originally Posted By: ZGRider
In other words, you feel you are smarter that all the other automakers engineers who have rejected Dexcool and that GM knows better.


It isn't just GM. Add on Caterpillar and Toyota who have no problems using 2-EHA coolants. The conclusion from your arguments is that Cat and Toyota engineers are stupid.

 

[Superbuick96]

Well since my Motorcraft Gold thread was hijacked....

IS THERE AN ALTERNITIVE TO DEX-COOL IN GM'S THAT TAKE DEX-COOL? SAFE ALTERNITIVES?

 

[pzev]

If you do a complete flush of the system, most anything could be used, including G-05...which many would recommend.

Peak Global long Life is also an alternative.

 

[oldmaninsc]

Originally Posted By: ZGRider


How often do you change your oil -- every 1000 miles? That is the same as changing your "Long-Life" coolant every 2 or 3 years. Are you saying that people who use 5000 mile OCIs are not maintaining their vehicles properly?


No I'm not saying anything of the sort! No I don't change my oil every thousand miles. Where is all this coming from?
Here is one for you - changing your coolant and checking your system are TWO different things.
For the record, I don't try to second guess the people that designed and built my vehicle. If they say change the oil at 5,000 miles - that's when I do it. Same with their coolant recommendations.

Originally Posted By: ZGRider

You change your Dexcool antifreeze early because you really don't trust it either, and you are afraid you might void your warranty if you don't use it. Therefore, you continue to use it in spite of all the evidence to it's inferiority to other coolants, and you try to convince others of the wisdom of your decision because your fragile self-esteem won't allow you to admit your irrationality.

In other words, you feel you are smarter that all the other automakers engineers who have rejected Dexcool and that GM knows better.


Again you don't even know what you are talking about. I changed my Dexcool 6 months ahead of GM recommended schedule (5 years OR 150,000 miles) GM does NOT state you can leave it in for 150,000 miles regardless of time.
So I changed mine at 4 1/2 years and about 50K. NOT because I didn't "trust it" (THAT IS SOOO FUNNY) but because I was changing the thermostat.

What would you have me do? Put the old Dexcool back in for another 6 months so I'm not changing it early? PLEASE.

Also you said " . . . you are afraid you might void your warranty if you don't use it."
That is also hilarious! My vehicle will be 5 years old this November. The warranty expired 2 years ago. So that is really a non issue!
I'm not going to even go to some of the ridiculous stuff you said about "fragile self-esteem". Again you are such a comedian! I haven't laughed so hard in a very LONG time!

Take a look at my photos of my engine. Tell me how "inferior" the coolant was. Show me where you see any sludge. I didn't have any leaks either. In the 4 1/2 years, I added coolant to the tank once - about 1/2 cup.

Sometimes it's good to have one's brain in gear before they engage their mouth!

 

[ponderosaTX]

Originally Posted By: George7941
Originally Posted By: ZGRider
In other words, you feel you are smarter that all the other automakers engineers who have rejected Dexcool and that GM knows better.


It isn't just GM. Add on Caterpillar and Toyota who have no problems using 2-EHA coolants. The conclusion from your arguments is that Cat and Toyota engineers are stupid.


Toyota uses Japanese P-OAT coolants which do NOT contain 2-EHA.

 

[Ken2]

Originally Posted By: Superbuick96
The Motorcraft/Ford Premium gold coolant is supposed to be good for 100,000 miles. REally?. Ive had my Ranger for 5.5 years and am thinking of flushing it. Currently have 36,000mi.. Should I leave the coolant be for awhile or flush it?

It's easy to test. Put one probe of a digital voltmeter into the cool coolant in the radiator neck. Put the other probe on the battery negative post. If you see 0.1 to 0.3 volts DC, you're good. If you see 0.5 VDC or more, it is past time to flush and renew the coolant. The dissimilar metals in the cooling system are acting like a galvanic cell due to the depletion of the corrosion inhibitors in the antifreeze.

 

[UNC017]

Originally Posted By: George7941
Originally Posted By: Superbuick96
I flushed and filled the Blazer with Dexcool 6 months ago..No problems to report


Chalk one up for the pro-Dexcool side. We have a debate raging on, in another thread, about the merits of Dexcool.




Sorry to participate in a thread-jacking, but....

On that other thread, I'm still waiting for *anyone* to come up with an actual, honest, chemistry- or engineering-based MERIT for DexCool versus other formulas.

Yes, its required for GM warranty. Yes it works perfectly in many cases. Those aren't merits. No one has EVER said, from a chemistry basis, why GM is better off using it than HOAT like Ford, BMW, Benz, VW, Deere, Chrysler, and others or a 2-EHA free OAT like the Japanese manufacturers tend to use. In fact, the only reason I've ever found that makes it beneficial over the old conventional silicate formulas is extended life and (possibly) less water pump seal wear. If you're fanatic about maintaining your cooling system to the point that you're SURE you'll never get scum from DexCool, well the maintenance required for conventional coolants shouldn't matter either, right?

 

[George7941]

I don't have a chemistry or engineering based argument in favour of Dexcool. What I have is twelve years of superb performance from Dexcool. This is very subjective but I see a "sparkling" cleanliness in Dexcool systems that I have not found yet in G-05 systems. I will admit my experience with G-05 is limited..

 

[UNC017]

Originally Posted By: George7941
I don't have a chemistry or engineering based argument in favour of Dexcool. What I have is twelve years of superb performance from Dexcool. This is very subjective but I see a "sparkling" cleanliness in Dexcool systems that I have not found yet in G-05 systems. I will admit my experience with G-05 is limited..


Well at least that's SOMETHING. Thanks! What have you seen in G-05 systems that bothers you? All I've ever noted is a very thin dark film, on coolant-bathed parts that resembles the black oxide coating often used on heavy duty fasteners (bolts, nuts, etc.) It seems harmless and I assume its the HOAT system doing its job. It certainly isn't a bother to me, nor does it look like anything that would slow heat transfer.

 

[George7941]

Nothing I have seen in G-05 systems bother me, that is why I use it in one truck at work. It is just that Dexcool has served me so well for so long that I will stay with it in vehicles that originally came with it and which don't have conditions (plastic-framed gaskets, badly designed rad caps) that create Dexsludge.

It is not just my truck whose cooling system is kept leak free. I will not tolerate any leaks in the cooling systems of the trucks at work which I maintain, and these trucks do not use Dexcool. If I see a leak thru a hose, the hose gets replaced, ditto for water pumps, oil coolers (the trucks have oil-to-coolant heat exchangers) etc. If tightening the clamp at a joint does not eliminate the leak then the hose gets replaced.

I don't see why anybody would tolerate leaks in a cooling system.

 

[lght1]

Originally Posted By: Superbuick96
Well since my Motorcraft Gold thread was hijacked....

IS THERE AN ALTERNITIVE TO DEX-COOL IN GM'S THAT TAKE DEX-COOL? SAFE ALTERNITIVES?


Yes, Use G-05 or one of its clones..Mopar "Long Life" or Ford's "Gold". These are dyed clones of G-05.

Today, I used a store brand ;ow silicated coolant as sources for the others were closed. Since G-05 is silicated, this should mix well and get through next spring when I will add a new perdormance radiator .

 

[George7941]

Originally Posted By: lght1


Today, I used a store brand low silicated coolant as sources for the others were closed. Since G-05 is silicated, this should mix well and get through next spring when I will add a new perdormance radiator .


Silicates are only a small part of the chemistry of G-05. You are mixing conventional coolant with the organic acid components of G-05. While some claim it is OK, many advice against it. Don't base your decision on mixing chemistries on the silicates alone.

 

[lght1]

Hi

I based it on that as well as the fact that in the spring, a performance radiator wiull be going in and the system will be flushed and once again, G-05 or one of its clones will be going in.

For the 7 months or so, it will be fine and certainly better than "for all makes and models.."

 

[UNC017]

Originally Posted By: lght1
Hi

I based it on that as well as the fact that in the spring, a performance radiator wiull be going in and the system will be flushed and once again, G-05 or one of its clones will be going in.

For the 7 months or so, it will be fine and certainly better than "for all makes and models.."


It will be "fine," and far better than the All Makes stuff. But I agree with George on this one. No need to tempt fate.

 

[lght1]

Hi

If it was for the 2-3 year duration, I wouldn't have done this.

However, the system will be thoroughly flushed when the larger L67 radiator is installed. At that point, G-05 will be reinstalled.