Does Conoco/Phillips still make it? I heard C/P is now making Pennzoil....is this true? If so,will the Ultra outsell MC?
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C/P is not making Pennzoil. Pennzoil is a SOPUS (Shell) product.
Whether they make Motorcraft I'm not sure and will let others answer that.
Whether they make Motorcraft I'm not sure and will let others answer that.
We use Shell products in our company fleet of trucks.MC syn blend is only $2.77 a quart at WM.......how can you beat that?I wish I could find C/P oil.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
We use Shell products in our company fleet of trucks.MC syn blend is only $2.77 a quart at WM.......how can you beat that?I wish I could find C/P oil.
About the only two C/P oils you will be able to find on the retail shelf will be Motorcraft or Kendall. C/P has changed all of their PCMO brands/marketing over to the Kendall brand. In other words if you were a Phillips Trop Arctic fan, you are out of luck.
We use Shell products in our company fleet of trucks.MC syn blend is only $2.77 a quart at WM.......how can you beat that?I wish I could find C/P oil.
About the only two C/P oils you will be able to find on the retail shelf will be Motorcraft or Kendall. C/P has changed all of their PCMO brands/marketing over to the Kendall brand. In other words if you were a Phillips Trop Arctic fan, you are out of luck.
Motorcraft syn-blend, Havoline/Chevron, and MobilClean5000, are IMO, the best bang for the buck in conventional/blend PCMO's. The others are good as well, but consistently seem to cost considerably more unless some special rebate or sale is involved, at least for brand name stuff.
Around here, the only people that stock Kendall lubes are car dealers, repair shops, etc. that probably buy drums of oil. I never see Kendall on the shelf in common retail locations.
...sorry, a bit off the original topic, I know.
Around here, the only people that stock Kendall lubes are car dealers, repair shops, etc. that probably buy drums of oil. I never see Kendall on the shelf in common retail locations.
...sorry, a bit off the original topic, I know.
We know you really want to talk about Pennzoil Ultra.....
They make fram oil, as well.
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
Motorcraft syn-blend, Havoline/Chevron, and MobilClean5000, are IMO, the best bang for the buck in conventional/blend PCMO's. The others are good as well, but consistently seem to cost considerably more unless some special rebate or sale is involved, at least for brand name stuff.
Around here, the only people that stock Kendall lubes are car dealers, repair shops, etc. that probably buy drums of oil. I never see Kendall on the shelf in common retail locations.
...sorry, a bit off the original topic, I know.
Maybe where you live. I`ve found Walmart to be the cheapest place to buy oil (due to the fact that there`s always at least one or two of the major leading brands rolled back considerably lower than the rest). Oil pricing seems to fluctuate by region, at least as far as Walmart goes.
My last trip, the cheapest major brand oils (because they were the rollbacks) within their classifications were:
Castrol GTX at $11;
Castrol Edge at $28;
Pennzoil Platinum at $19.
Those were 4 or 4.4L jugs.
All prices are Canadian, and for comparison numbers the other dinos (with the exception of Supertech, which was rolled back to just under $8) started at about $18 for Dino, and the other synthetics started at $28 for Supertech, with the rest(excluding Edge) being priced between about $32 and $40.
All of the oils you listed as `the best bang` for the buck were more than the roll backed oils I listed above. And having noticed that the Walmart here tends to alternate between Castrol GTX and Valvoline Premium as the daily rollback (both available then for $11 if you wait a couple weeks tops), I have to ask:
What makes any of the more expensive oils you listed above better bang for the buck than Pennzoil Premium ($19 that day and it`ll be $19 again), GTX ($11), Valvoline Premium ($11 again within another week or 2), or Castrol Edge ($28).
Or is that just your opinion with absolutely nothing concrete to base it on. And if that`s the case, how is that even worth the time it took to read it and why do I care.
-Spyder
Motorcraft syn-blend, Havoline/Chevron, and MobilClean5000, are IMO, the best bang for the buck in conventional/blend PCMO's. The others are good as well, but consistently seem to cost considerably more unless some special rebate or sale is involved, at least for brand name stuff.
Around here, the only people that stock Kendall lubes are car dealers, repair shops, etc. that probably buy drums of oil. I never see Kendall on the shelf in common retail locations.
...sorry, a bit off the original topic, I know.
Maybe where you live. I`ve found Walmart to be the cheapest place to buy oil (due to the fact that there`s always at least one or two of the major leading brands rolled back considerably lower than the rest). Oil pricing seems to fluctuate by region, at least as far as Walmart goes.
My last trip, the cheapest major brand oils (because they were the rollbacks) within their classifications were:
Castrol GTX at $11;
Castrol Edge at $28;
Pennzoil Platinum at $19.
Those were 4 or 4.4L jugs.
All prices are Canadian, and for comparison numbers the other dinos (with the exception of Supertech, which was rolled back to just under $8) started at about $18 for Dino, and the other synthetics started at $28 for Supertech, with the rest(excluding Edge) being priced between about $32 and $40.
All of the oils you listed as `the best bang` for the buck were more than the roll backed oils I listed above. And having noticed that the Walmart here tends to alternate between Castrol GTX and Valvoline Premium as the daily rollback (both available then for $11 if you wait a couple weeks tops), I have to ask:
What makes any of the more expensive oils you listed above better bang for the buck than Pennzoil Premium ($19 that day and it`ll be $19 again), GTX ($11), Valvoline Premium ($11 again within another week or 2), or Castrol Edge ($28).
Or is that just your opinion with absolutely nothing concrete to base it on. And if that`s the case, how is that even worth the time it took to read it and why do I care.
-Spyder
Too late to edit my own post, but Pennzoil Platinum was meant to be written, not `Pennzoil Premium`.
Too many freaking oils out there with too many similar names
Too many freaking oils out there with too many similar names
Just an opinion, but I assure you it is based on what I have observed personally, which are facts to me
my cost to buy the oils vs performance in the applications I have used each oil in. If I could see an observable advantage to buying any of the other conventional oils out there, then I might spend an extra few dollars for what I perceived as the better oil, again based on observed performance, not marketing.
For example, down here Castrol GTX is one of the most popular conventional oils historically, but I have not personally seen any evidence to show me that it is as good or better than the others I mentioned, and it usually comes at a premium as does Pennzoil Conventional and Valvoline conventional. On the High Mileage oils, I have tried all of them and for me, the Maxlife has consistently performed the best overall, and for a decent price at Walmart or on sale.
If I had to choose between one of the $11/jug brands and the $18 ones up there where you are, I would probably just go with the lower cost one there since the perfomance differences between name brand conventionals are not that huge.
The point is that I was just stating a basic opinion based on my experiences with these oils in various engines vs. the cost. Nothing concrete, nor am I trying to say these are the best oils period for anyone's engine out there (as if there was such an oil). Are opinions still allowed here on BITOG? This place sure has changed since I came here in 2004 to learn, hear others' experiences, and to share.
my cost to buy the oils vs performance in the applications I have used each oil in. If I could see an observable advantage to buying any of the other conventional oils out there, then I might spend an extra few dollars for what I perceived as the better oil, again based on observed performance, not marketing. For example, down here Castrol GTX is one of the most popular conventional oils historically, but I have not personally seen any evidence to show me that it is as good or better than the others I mentioned, and it usually comes at a premium as does Pennzoil Conventional and Valvoline conventional. On the High Mileage oils, I have tried all of them and for me, the Maxlife has consistently performed the best overall, and for a decent price at Walmart or on sale.
If I had to choose between one of the $11/jug brands and the $18 ones up there where you are, I would probably just go with the lower cost one there since the perfomance differences between name brand conventionals are not that huge.
The point is that I was just stating a basic opinion based on my experiences with these oils in various engines vs. the cost. Nothing concrete, nor am I trying to say these are the best oils period for anyone's engine out there (as if there was such an oil). Are opinions still allowed here on BITOG? This place sure has changed since I came here in 2004 to learn, hear others' experiences, and to share.
I didn`t take issue with the opinion. Just that you didn`t mention anything at all that you were basing it on. Without that, its not very informative. In your second post you added more info so that now I can see what you`re basing it on. That`s all.
The last oil I bought was PP. I have no idea yet on how it`ll do, but going by its specs from the Motor Oil Evaluator (and a comparison test done by Amsoil that included PP among a group of several leading branded oils), where its compared side by side with just about everything else out there, I can tell its good stuff. Much better (by the numbers) than the cheaper Castrol GTX (which I`ve used and have no bias against) and well worth trying out for $8 more. Yet with Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra dominating this particular forum lately I was accused of `buying into marketing` hype when to me it was simple rational economics.
No offense was intended. I just like to see what people are basing recommendations on when they make them.
-Spyder
The last oil I bought was PP. I have no idea yet on how it`ll do, but going by its specs from the Motor Oil Evaluator (and a comparison test done by Amsoil that included PP among a group of several leading branded oils), where its compared side by side with just about everything else out there, I can tell its good stuff. Much better (by the numbers) than the cheaper Castrol GTX (which I`ve used and have no bias against) and well worth trying out for $8 more. Yet with Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra dominating this particular forum lately I was accused of `buying into marketing` hype when to me it was simple rational economics.
No offense was intended. I just like to see what people are basing recommendations on when they make them.
-Spyder
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I really like motorcraft oil. Used it for years in my Ford's. Now that i have a Dakota, i still use it. Wish i could find a motorcraft oil filter for my Dodge. Anybody got a filter number? I have the 3.9 V-6 engine
No more Trop-Artic? Too bad, it's alway been good stuff & was a real BITOG darling a few years ago. I guess my 9-10 qts of T-A 5w30 are rare collectors items now!
Re- Motorcraft filter for 3.9 V6 Dakota- you want a short, full diameter filter with 3/4"-16 threads. I believe the Motorcraft FL-300(A?) is it- but double-check me on that before you buy one. IIRC, MC FL-300 was always included on the filter box chart, along with Wix 51085, Fram PH-16, AC PF-13, Purolator L14670, & at least one other I can't think of now. No, I'm not a human oil-filter reference- it's just that I've owned vehicles that call for, or can use, this filter size for over 30 yrs now!
Re- Motorcraft filter for 3.9 V6 Dakota- you want a short, full diameter filter with 3/4"-16 threads. I believe the Motorcraft FL-300(A?) is it- but double-check me on that before you buy one. IIRC, MC FL-300 was always included on the filter box chart, along with Wix 51085, Fram PH-16, AC PF-13, Purolator L14670, & at least one other I can't think of now. No, I'm not a human oil-filter reference- it's just that I've owned vehicles that call for, or can use, this filter size for over 30 yrs now!
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Just before I read your post, I was thinking the same thing, the FL-300 is the one he wants for the Dodge. I have not noticed the FL-300 MC filter in stores lately, however.
Originally Posted By: HM12460
I really like motorcraft oil. Used it for years in my Ford's. Now that i have a Dakota, i still use it. Wish i could find a motorcraft oil filter for my Dodge. Anybody got a filter number? I have the 3.9 V-6 engine
FL300
I really like motorcraft oil. Used it for years in my Ford's. Now that i have a Dakota, i still use it. Wish i could find a motorcraft oil filter for my Dodge. Anybody got a filter number? I have the 3.9 V-6 engine
FL300
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