Most extended life OAT/HOATcoolant plasticizers?

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Apparently you had American Green with the OAT benzoate, and then G-05 and Japanese formula with benzoate. Only G-O5 of the 3 is considered an HOAT and the other 2 are considered IATs but that may be a misnomer. Anyway, all 3 may have contained benzoate but none of the three are known to be gasket eaters or to slugde due to air.

Then along comes Dexcool and 2EHA. It's believed to be a plasticizer and Ford, Honda and others swear it off. Ford stuck with the Green and didn't appear to ever want to get on the OAT bandwagon until finally settling on G-05. Japanese come out with an extended life coolant with a carboxylate inhibitor sebacate. Which is also a plasticizer. And Peak Global contains benzoate but also some other unknown inhibitor that might be sebacate.

What does that really leave that's not a carboxylate acid with plasticizer ability but American Green and G-05?

I'm sure you can use Japanese POAT coolant in a FF Japanese car without any gasket deteriotion. And I think you can use Dexcool in a late model '05+ GM vehicle without problems. It's the earlier models and the back-specing that might be the problem.

It's too bad for OATs and HOATs though. Dexcool does have a very long life and protects both aluminum and iron well. It doesn't have silicates that have a short life and may abrade the waterpump seal, no phospate to react with hard water, and no borates that could corrode aluminum if the other inhibitors are depleted. But none of that is as important as protecting your engine gaskets or not sludging up.
 
You sir are well versed in coolants ! Don't know how anyone would "answer" your question? I think it is a rhetorical question anyway.

Years ago, I retrofitted a Acura Integra with Dexcool. Didn't have any problems, but didn't have it very long.

Lately, I have chickened out and go with OEM coolants for my non-Chevy cars. Used OEM Blue Honda for my son's car also.

You need to be a chemist to understand today's coolants !
 
Yes you just about have to be a chemist and have industry inside information and know what your engines gaskets are made of to really know the answers to these questions lol. I do have a college degree and some courses in chemistry but I am by no means a chemist. I scarcily even remember what I learned by now.

You cannot get an accurate, straight and honest answer to these questions even from the coolant manufactures or the gasket manufactures. I've tried.

It all makes you wonder if Dexcool is really that much "worse" than the other OAT and HOAT formulas. Maybe one of the real main reason the Japanese and others dismissed Dexcool is because they wanted to monopolize their own formula or didn't want to pay licensing or give a nod to GM. Dexcool did have its problems but I can't see the big difference between Asian formula's sebacate vs. 2EHA.

I think if you don't want dexcool then you probably don't want any of the other (H)OATs. I think I'm am leaning in favor of G-05.
 
Peak Global Lifetime? I've been meaning to find out more specifics about it, it sounds appealing but its not a factory fill in anything that I'm aware of.

But I agree- as long as G-05 is available, that's what I'm using.
 
I talked with Peak, and Global is not FF on anything. Peak Final charge is FF on some HD vehicles, but Peak told me it had a different OAT inhibitor. All I know is Peak Global contains sodium benzoate, which I think is fine, and another secret inhibitor. That's the one I'm wondering about. It could be sebacate.

At least with G-05 there's no unknown OAT to worry about.
 
Where can G-05 be found? and under what names? Does it say on a bottle "G-05"? Do I have to go to a FORD dealer to get it? Seems if thats the case I might as well just get OEM and pay out the yang for it at my own Hyundai dealer.
 
Zerex is the supplier and there's says G-05 on the bottle. Ford use it and is probably cheaper than Hyundai's coolant, so does Chrysler and Mercedes. G-05 is not hard to find really. You might as well get the OE coolant though.
 
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