More scary tires. This time on a newer AMG C63.

Well, if you are behind Hankook (which I've owned), that's not very flattering.
Agree. Results in meter does not matter at all. /Sarcasm

Michelin 12th
Falken 9th
Hankook 6th.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2017-ADAC-Winter-Tyre-Test-195-65-R15.htm

All test rankings are based on different test requirements.
Michelin Alpine 5 is not a s h i t tire.

I even own a small quantity of Michelin stocks.
Still would not pay premium prices to get them.

Most if not all of the Companys owning Premium brands have budget brands aswell.
 
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Well, if you are behind Hankook (which I've owned), that's not very flattering.
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Agree. Results in meter does not matter at all.

Michelin 12th
Falken 9th
Hankook 6th.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2017-ADAC-Winter-Tyre-Test-195-65-R15.htm

All test rankings are based on different test requirements.
Michelin Alpine 5 is not a s h i t tire.

I even own a small quantity of Michelin stocks.
Still would not pay premium prices to get them.
you obviously never owned Hankook winter tires.
 
So from argument about consistency and initial performance your conclusion is, studded tires? I mean…

Hankook tyres that you bought might be ****. But I would not take your anecdotal word and apply it to the brand as a whole.

Swedish road institute from 2016.
https://vti.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:956515/FULLTEXT01.pdf

Abstract Page 6
Summary Page 13

Tested tyres on page 41 and down.

This study has measured road grip on wet, salted asphalt road at freezing temperatures for used and new winter tyres, with the purpose to investigate how the road grip for the three different types ofwinter tyres that exist in Sweden degrade by age and degree of wear. Also summer tyres were includedin the study. In total, 84 tyres have been tested, of which 31 were completely new while 53 were used.The tyres have been tested on smooth ice and packed snow. The results show that studded tyres andunstudded Nordic winter tyres have the same are road grip on the tested road surface. The difference between new and worn tyres for these two tyre types are for most of the investigated performance measures negligible.
The new European winter tyres perform 10–13 per cent better than the two othertypes of winter tyres on wet asphalt in the current weather conditions. For the worn tyres, theadvantage of the European tyres is smaller, 5–7 per cent better than the other two types of winter tyres.The summer tyres perform as good as, or better, than the European winter tyres. This applies to bothnew and worn tyres.
 
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Agree. Results in meter does not matter at all. /Sarcasm

Michelin 12th
Falken 9th
Hankook 6th.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2017-ADAC-Winter-Tyre-Test-195-65-R15.htm

All test rankings are based on different test requirements.
Michelin Alpine 5 is not a s h i t tire.

I even own a small quantity of Michelin stocks.
Still would not pay premium prices to get them.

Most if not all of the Companys owning Premium brands have budget brands aswell.
Yes, if I was using those results and shopping for tires back in 2017, I'd have been inclined to buy the Conti.

Interesting though, the Michelin gets dinged and put in 12th place for being crap in snow:
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The Falken gets 9th, but it's crap in snow and on ice, and also not great on wet and dry roads:
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🤷‍♂️

And yes, Falken is to Sumitomo as BF Goodrich is to Michelin.
 
Another "if it's not best then it's worst" thread? Geez... I had Hankooks and they were fine. Hated by others but they did what I needed. Good enough was all I needed. Liked them better than any set of Michelins I had.

Anyhow. Typical BITOG. Someone in sunny southern CA shows off a car with bald all seasons that will never ever see snow--and a snow tire argument ensues.
 
Yes, if I was using those results and shopping for tires back in 2017, I'd have been inclined to buy the Conti.

Interesting though, the Michelin gets dinged and put in 12th place for being crap in snow:
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The Falken gets 9th, but it's crap in snow and on ice, and also not great on wet and dry roads:


🤷‍♂️

And yes, Falken is to Sumitomo as BF Goodrich is to Michelin.

I was certain ADAC still had the test results up, but only goes back to 2019 on their website.
We still don't know how big the difference was, is my point.
Could be a couple % or 10meters on the brake test. Ranking does not tell the full story.

Edit: Found the point score.
Point score below at least tell the relative difference.

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Another "if it's not best then it's worst" thread? Geez... I had Hankooks and they were fine. Hated by others but they did what I needed. Good enough was all I needed. Liked them better than any set of Michelins I had.

Anyhow. Typical BITOG. Someone in sunny southern CA shows off a car with bald all seasons that will never ever see snow--and a snow tire argument ensues.

Its getting cold and dark outside what else you expect us to do?! 🥳
 
Was your motivation cost? Just trying to figure out why somebody would use Falken over say Michelin, Continental or Pirelli if they are close in price.

Because they aren’t close in price. The Falkens are probably 85-90% of the tire for 60% of the price.

For my X3M, it is $3000 out the door to buy the original PS4S again. An alternative option would be Kumho PS71 for literally about half the price.

I’m not cheap, but I need to see value there. I’m not going to put $150 tires on it but I’m not going to pay double for tires that are 10% better either.

Also - OE tire on an RS5? Continental or… Hankook. On an X3M? Michelin, Conti or… Hankook.

Falken has been around forever, owned by Sumitomo who also own Dunlop Japan, pretty decent product for the most part.
 
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Because they aren’t close in price. The Falkens are probably 85-90% of the tire for 60% of the price.
Depending on the vehicle of course, hence my qualifier on the question: "if they are close in price".
For my X3M, it is $3000 out the door to buy the original PS4S again. An alternative option would be Kumho PS71 for literally about half the price.
Yes, I appreciate that situation, I was recently in a similar boat with my Jeep. The OE Pirelli run flats, which are an awful riding tire and last roughly 15-20,000km, were ~$2,500 USD for the set. Add shipping, exchange and tax and that's close to $5,000 CDN.
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Stepping down to the top rated UHP All Season, was considerably less expensive, and the route I ended up going:
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I’m not cheap, but I need to see value there. I’m not going to put $150 tires on it but I’m not going to pay double for tires that are 10% better either.
Right. The reason I phrased the question as I did was that I plugged in 2018 Mercedes C63 AMG and got these two options in the Summer categories:
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That's not a big price difference.

Also - OE tire on an RS5? Continental or… Hankook. On an X3M? Michelin, Conti or… Hankook.
I'm not one that sees "OE tire" and immediately takes that as a glowing endorsement. The OE's on my SRT were heavy, hard and wore rapidly. I paid a premium to have them equipped when I ordered the vehicle, as the standard tire is a Pirelli RFT All Season. I was expecting a nice high performance summer to be available (non-RFT) from Conti or Michelin to replace them, but alas, that was not the case, which is why I ended up going the UHP A/S route. I had the PSS on my M5 and loved everything about them. The OE Goodyear tires on my wife's RAM were downright dangerous in the wet and wore rapidly, even the OE and non-OE versions of the same tire can have considerable differences in their characteristics meaning the review one reads from say Tire Rack, doesn't align with that same tire when it's an OE tire by the same name.
Falken has been around forever, owned by Sumitomo who also own Dunlop Japan, pretty decent product for the most part.
Yes, I mentioned that in a later post, Falken is to Sumitomo what BF Goodrich is to Michelin. I don't consider either Falken or BFG to be bad tires, but they are more budget-oriented than their parent companies. As I said, my question was why, if you can get a Michelin or Conti at close to the same price, would somebody go with the Falken? Obviously if there's a HUGE price difference, the question doesn't apply.
 
My boss has 4 AMG's. I get to drive them from time to time.

I see what they cost to maintain, regular guys cannot afford these cars just keeping up with the manual, much less pay to fix them when something goes really wrong.

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There are several in our parking lot - along with all the typical Germs everyone has to own once … Then lease thereafter to keep a shiny one in front of folks. I refused to drive engineers 63 bcs I’m S Twain - not M Twain on this - and I can afford - but what she said 😷
(The ROCE is low on them) …
 
I posted this on another thread recently. It applies here.

I know a guy who caters to those living beyond their means. Ignoring the fact that this is an old car, which is not worth a lot, these people he caters to want old high-end cars for the impression it gives (in their mind). So they buy the old BMW, Mercedes Benz, etc. on payments stretching out over a ridiculously long period of time, usually at Usury interest rates.

Then the cost of keeping the old luxury car running hits home. My friend has a business which fixes wheels (since most of these cars came with low-profile tires more prone to damage to the wheel and tire), and sells tires, mostly to these people desperate to portray an image to the world. He stocks and sells almost exclusively chinese tires with names most have never heard of, and which do nothing well other than hold air for their short lives, until they're worn out and another set is needed.
 
Falkens aren't bad but they're not cheap enough to be worth buying over better brands. I'm sure you told the customer the tires were chewed to nothing.
 
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