More proof that the ACTUAL recession never ended.

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Actually, they didn't enjoy surpluses in the 1990s. They were able to borrow from Social Security which is "off budget" but count that money as money available to pay for budget items.

So when you can call your borrowing something other than borrowing, you can say your budget is "balanced"

It's just like saying there are funds in the Social Security Trust Fund. No, there are IOUs and if not now, soon it will be even harder to balance the budget because not only will they no longer be able to borrow since SSI income will not meet SSI obligations, but they will also need to pay off more and more of those IOUs every year, leaving less money for day to day operations.

Since SSI was set up such that they could only loan any surplus to the Federal Government, I'm not sure they earned a market rate of return or even a sufficient return to fund the future obligations to pay SSI benefits to those who paid in.

The whole SSI system is proof that we really can't trust those who are in charge in DC. It doesn't matter which party they claim, both major parties have not demonstrated fiscal responsibility.

Yet it seems "we" keep looking to them for solutions. It seems a large part of the problems are created by the people looked to for the solutions.

I'd call that either insanity or ignorance. Probably a bit of both.

Originally Posted By: Tempest
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The answer, far from fiscal austerity, is probably fiscal stimulus in the form of tax cuts for the masses and increased federal spending.

Tax cuts are not fiscal stimulus, they are allowing people to keep more of their property.
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That spending can be on things that bring lasting benefits and should really be calculated as depreciable assets, not current spending.
Infrastructure spending would be a good example.

So you can just take out of work secretaries, IT people, and engineers and throw them on a government construction project and all will be well? You view people as "production units" that can be easily interchanged in an economy.
And precisely how much spending would it take to achieve the "results" you are looking for and what specific projects should be undertaken?

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Anyone should ask themselves why the federal government enjoyed a couple of years of current budget surpluses back in the mid 'nineties.

Massive increase in productivity due to computers becoming more common.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
True free market economics are like natural law. The more we (our government) messes with it, purportedly to "tweak" or "correct" it, the more that we realize we have to do to fix the issues created by the fixes. In the end we just mess it up worse than if we had left it alone. I believe I said in another thread that we should ask ourselves, "Are we capitalist, socialist, or something else?"

I can't offer you solutions. In fact, it is very obvious that our greatest minds cannot do so, either.

Sorry, I am talking philosophy and high level stuff and you guys are talking about nitty-gritty details.

All politicians are inherently incompetent because they have no idea what billions of people on the planet want or need and how they will respond to the incentives that are created by their legislation. The classic "unintended consequences".

The more they interfere with the economy, the worse it will become. 100% guaranteed.
 
^Hear, hear! I had an economics professor in college named Rick Wilson. He taught us "Wilson's Law." It was nothing more than this;

"Seven out of ten economic policies undertaken by the federal government will either do nothing or exacerbate the problem."

The corollary is;

"If seven out of ten economists agree on the answer to a question, go contrary and you will be correct."

Wilson was interviewed by the local news here a few times in the 80's as being one of the more accurate economic forecasters.
 
Recession? If you want it to be, I grew my business by two thirds in 2012 and I'm going to try to double it in 2013.

People like to complain instead of doing it the old school American way, roll up your sleeves and figure it out.

Plenty of oil field jobs in ND or where ever they are drilling, keep reading about all the boom towns out their, and all the decent jobs the oil companies are having a hard time filling.
 
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Plenty of oil field jobs in ND or where ever they are drilling, keep reading about all the boom towns out their, and all the decent jobs the oil companies are having a hard time filling.



NY times has an article about the oil fields in ND and some girl making $20 ish an hour as a clerk at a gas station! Their angle is "kids are delaying college to work in the oil fields". Heck yeah!
 
Originally Posted By: Propflux01
IBTL!!!

Isolationism. Let the rest of the world go and take each other over. We'll just handle our own issues, along with those who really want us around. Let that run its course. If it comes down to someone trying to take us over, we have big bombs.


Agreed.

Where was it written in stone that we "needed" to be part of the NWO globalist economy?

I'm NOT against trade, but it MUST be with nations that conduct themselves along the same lines that we do with regards to safety, wages, and environmental aspects. So I am fine with the US trading with Canada, Western Europe, ANZ, Japan....

I would place HUGE tariffs on trade with "rogue" nations that treat their citizens as serfs and pawns. Essentially it would cancel out any benefits those places have because of the abuse and or exploitation of their citizens.

There should be NO lock here because we are NOT focusing on politics but on occasion it does intersect with economics


Just a reminder PLEASE keep any posts from focusing on domestic left right issues. Thanks.
 
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Originally Posted By: eljefino

NY times has an article about the oil fields in ND and some girl making $20 ish an hour as a clerk at a gas station! Their angle is "kids are delaying college to work in the oil fields". Heck yeah!

It's good to see that limited "boom/bust" opportunities are here, BUT they won't last long. The oil boom will probably go bust in a couple of years or so.

These jobs are not long term, stable, QUALITY jobs like we need.

I doubt that jobs like this will sustain a solid, healthy economic environment.
 
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Someone asked whether the southern Europeans were happier than us and why we have to be protectors of the world.

Those Europeans are happier than we are, and I hope they continue to be when we no longer protect them.

Talk about "fair share"!
 
Originally Posted By: Turk
I went to Wal*Mart this morning aroung 9:30 to buy some Worms & thought it would be packed.

Dead.

Unbelieveable.

I walked to the back of the store in Sporting Goods and passed only 6 people. This is in a heavily populated area.




I was in there Wednesday to return something and they were empty. They also didn't have much on the shelves, and the christmas stuff was 50%off
 
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
Someone asked whether the southern Europeans were happier than us and why we have to be protectors of the world.

Those Europeans are happier than we are, and I hope they continue to be when we no longer protect them.

Talk about "fair share"!


They don't want you there. Only the crooks at the top want the US there because the US allows the crooks to do what they want.
 
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