It appears to be a "Problem Solver" part (i.e., CK series) since the tie rod end has the "gusher bearing" technology and a limited lifetime warranty.
Moog isnt as good as they used to be
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It appears to be a "Problem Solver" part (i.e., CK series) since the tie rod end has the "gusher bearing" technology and a limited lifetime warranty.
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Okay so CK is the problem solver? Which is the better line. It's confusing because I thought it would have a CK as the prefix.
That's the ones I have on my car. Actually I only put one on but I brought two of them.
They look well made for what that's worth.
Thanks.
That's the ones I have on my car. Actually I only put one on but I brought two of them.
They look well made for what that's worth.
Thanks.
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Here is one opinion on moog, of the aforementioned part number from Amazon's questions and answers. . I asked the question.
Q: Are these "MOOG ES3453 Steering Tie Rod Ends" the "problem solver" line or the lover level quality line?
A: PROBLEM SOLVER yes. No complaints
If installed correctly.
Q: Are these "MOOG ES3453 Steering Tie Rod Ends" the "problem solver" line or the lover level quality line?
A: PROBLEM SOLVER yes. No complaints
If installed correctly.
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Porta Cable and delta power tools too!My dad had a 2013 Chrysler 300
We got 18-24 months out of the OE Chrysler front sway bar bushings
The "Thermoplastic" hard as a rock Moog units would last about 90 days
I got real good at changing them
My neighbor has a 2005 Toyota RAV4
When I did front struts, out of posterity I did both front sway bar links because it seemed the right thing to do
I should've kept the factory Toyota ones, the Moog boots self destructed in less than 12 months, and they've corroded worse in 2 years than the factory units did in 12
My friend had a 1994 Ford Escort
I ordered front sway bar links, I got a stud with no threading and a nut with no threads
I've personally observed less than ideal machining finish on some wheel hub/bearing assemblies, when competitive brands looked higher quality
I now only use them as a last resort, if I'm in a bind for time or money
My shop friends have given me anecdotal experiences that mirror my personal ones
Front ball joints causing sticking steering/poor return to center on GMT800 trucks
CD3 platform cars with EPAS problems shortly after installing Moog LCAs/TREs (something about the ball/socket joints being too stiff causing drag and the rack didn't like it?)
Much like Raybestos, Standard Motor, and Felpro, Moog seems like a company trading on its past reputation.
But then I'm younger, and I don't work in a shop, so my timeline of experiences is understandably shorter than others here
Maybe you've gotten good parts from them, but I've gotten far too many bad
The boots are terrible. They all seem to split within a couple years
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What about the Dezza? are they still good? Do they make front end parts for American cars too, or just imports.
I don't seem to see them as an option when l look for parts for my car.
Ive been running the CK ball joints on my Silverado, which are known to take out lower ball joints. They have been fine for me. You do have to grease them.... which a lot of people forget about.
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Yeah, the MOOG ES3453 have grease fittings too!
Yes, the CK line (AKA, "Problem Solver" parts) is the top-of the line premium grade for Moog with the limited lifetime warranty. It appears that most of their suspension parts start with either CK or RK (i.e., lower grade) however, it appears tie-rod ends are given a ES (outer) or DS (Inner) prefix to denote position.
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Thanks,
LOL "Nukeman7" every time l see your username "Newman" from Seinfeld pops into my head!
I have RK lower control arm on my Mustang. I also have had no issues with them. I don't drive the car in winter though.
I have them on a car that gets driven 7 months of the year and has only seen hose water for the last 17 years that resides in a garage that never drops below 8°C.
That probably has something to do with it because they still look and perform like new
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I had an inner tie rod end go out a year after they installed it. Not sure how that was caught, but shop just gave me a new one no questions asked. It may have been like 3 months later, can't really remember, honestly.
17 years ago they were.I have them on a car that gets driven 7 months of the year and has only seen hose water for the last 17 years that resides in a garage that never drops below 8°C.
That probably has something to do with it because they still look and perform like new
OEM or just deal with the lousy moog boots making a mess. I was able to find some polyurethane boots after some trial and error for my tie rods.
The thing about OEM parts is that you already know how long they will last. That is not so with the majority of aftermarket parts. The aftermarket parts world is downright flooded with junk.
Even so, there are gems in the aftermarket world. I posted on my Wagner semi metallic GG rated brake pads. Flat out fantastic performance.
Even so, there are gems in the aftermarket world. I posted on my Wagner semi metallic GG rated brake pads. Flat out fantastic performance.
Deeza (COO: Egypt) was good until around 2012, I put Deeza tie rod ends on a lightly driven Honda in 2015 and they were completely shot 15 months and 8,000 miles later! Tried to get them to honor the "so-called" lifetime warranty which they verbally agreed to do...until they ghosted me a month later. Stopped replying to emails and would not return my calls. Last correspondence said they will "make good" on their product.
Ended up installing made in USA Moog Problem Solvers which were 50% beefier and had grease fittings. Moog is hit or miss with their Problem Solver line. For example, the PS sway bar links installed on the Honda were extra stout, similar to the tie rod ends. The PS ball joints had Zerk grease fittings that would not clear the lower A-arms, thereby negating that feature.
Currently, it appears the best quality suspension parts are OEM, Sankei 555, Altrom and ProForge pieces.
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What do yall think about carlisle suspension? It's like $1600 just for upper and lower ball joints
Never heard of Carlisle suspension, all I found via Google was Carli Suspension which looks like a boutique/custom suspension parts manufacturer for newer trucks and SUVs. Don't know anything about them, but I don't see how they can be worth 50 times more than OEM.
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