Thoughts on Liqui-Moly? I am thinking about giving their motor oil a try. I have always used Mobil and Motul, but would like a third choice.
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Originally Posted By: fauxchemist
Thoughts on Liqui-Moly? I am thinking about giving their motor oil a try. I have always used Mobil and Motul, but would like a third choice.
LM are the most popular engine oil company in Germany for private vehicles (Fuchs are no 1 for commercial ones)and they overtook Castrol last year. The Germans are very fussy about oil quality due to long OCI's and full power use on the autobahn causing oil consumption concerns. There is a UOA for my 1.9TD in the diesel UOA section for LM High Tech 5w40 Synthoil.
If you don't use LM then I regard Castrol, Mobil, Shell and BP as the best. Some of the others have a nasty habit of back specing their popular oils to save money and they have even changed the base stock on occasions.
What engine are you looking for an oil for and how cold does it get in winter etc?
Thoughts on Liqui-Moly? I am thinking about giving their motor oil a try. I have always used Mobil and Motul, but would like a third choice.
LM are the most popular engine oil company in Germany for private vehicles (Fuchs are no 1 for commercial ones)and they overtook Castrol last year. The Germans are very fussy about oil quality due to long OCI's and full power use on the autobahn causing oil consumption concerns. There is a UOA for my 1.9TD in the diesel UOA section for LM High Tech 5w40 Synthoil.
If you don't use LM then I regard Castrol, Mobil, Shell and BP as the best. Some of the others have a nasty habit of back specing their popular oils to save money and they have even changed the base stock on occasions.
What engine are you looking for an oil for and how cold does it get in winter etc?
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Originally Posted By: skyship
Some of the others have a nasty habit of back specing their popular oils to save money and they have even changed the base stock on occasions.
After digging around the LM website, it appears the oil sold on the US market is different than in Europe.
Some of the others have a nasty habit of back specing their popular oils to save money and they have even changed the base stock on occasions.
After digging around the LM website, it appears the oil sold on the US market is different than in Europe.
I wonder if that is due to the shorter OCI culture that has been the norm for years in the US.
Actually at the prices you pay i don't blame your to be honest.
Whenever a bitoger from the US posts a price that is less than half what we pay in Europe I get depressed.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if that led to the US products being down-specced for the US market.
After all what is the point of trying to sell a product full of the latest additives that is designed to last 15/20k miles when the US consumer would simply change it out after 3/4k and potentially replace it with dino if that was all they had to hand.
Thinking along the same lines this might explain why only the very best oils do the US to Europe journey.
I am thinking Redline or Amsoil here.
Each Continent approaches certain things in a different way.
I honestly think if the US started doing things the European way in a few areas the US economy would benefit.
Like the domestic car market moving over to turbo diesel vehicles to save fuel cost and everybody started using Amsoil or similar to push those OCI and saving all the dino oil getting thrown away every 3k/3 months.
The spare disposable in one could then be directed to other sections of the retail sector and therefore bringing growth to people other than the Oil Companies.
Just a thought.
After all 50mpg (whAt my high mile 2008 Volvo gives) is better than the 30mpg you would get from a similar petrol engined V50.
Though I do like the Australian way to reduce fuel spend.
I believe vehicle gas conversions are fairly popular and I think are compulsory of petrol engined Taxis is some Cities.
Anyway, I have digressed enough, just throwing ideas out there for discussion.
Actually at the prices you pay i don't blame your to be honest.
Whenever a bitoger from the US posts a price that is less than half what we pay in Europe I get depressed.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if that led to the US products being down-specced for the US market.
After all what is the point of trying to sell a product full of the latest additives that is designed to last 15/20k miles when the US consumer would simply change it out after 3/4k and potentially replace it with dino if that was all they had to hand.
Thinking along the same lines this might explain why only the very best oils do the US to Europe journey.
I am thinking Redline or Amsoil here.
Each Continent approaches certain things in a different way.
I honestly think if the US started doing things the European way in a few areas the US economy would benefit.
Like the domestic car market moving over to turbo diesel vehicles to save fuel cost and everybody started using Amsoil or similar to push those OCI and saving all the dino oil getting thrown away every 3k/3 months.
The spare disposable in one could then be directed to other sections of the retail sector and therefore bringing growth to people other than the Oil Companies.
Just a thought.
After all 50mpg (whAt my high mile 2008 Volvo gives) is better than the 30mpg you would get from a similar petrol engined V50.
Though I do like the Australian way to reduce fuel spend.
I believe vehicle gas conversions are fairly popular and I think are compulsory of petrol engined Taxis is some Cities.
Anyway, I have digressed enough, just throwing ideas out there for discussion.
LiquiMoly doesn't have own oil plant, all it's oils made in Meguin plant: www.meguin.com
Fuchs or Pentosin.
Meguin plant? Is that a good or bad thing? Still not much being said about how their oil compares to the two oils Im currently using.
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Though I wouldn't be surprised if that led to the US products being down-specced for the US market.
After all what is the point of trying to sell a product full of the latest additives that is designed to last 15/20k miles when the US consumer would simply change it out after 3/4k and potentially replace it with dino if that was all they had to hand.
Partly true, I suppose. Obviously, SN/GF-5 isn't the same as A3/B3/B4, so that may be considered a down-spec or a different spec, depending upon point of view. However, in North America M1 0w-40 and GC are the same price as normal M1 and normal Syntec. The rare, European brands, however, tend to be significantly more money. I've seen Motul (don't remember which one) for $75 a gallon here.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if that led to the US products being down-specced for the US market.
After all what is the point of trying to sell a product full of the latest additives that is designed to last 15/20k miles when the US consumer would simply change it out after 3/4k and potentially replace it with dino if that was all they had to hand.
Partly true, I suppose. Obviously, SN/GF-5 isn't the same as A3/B3/B4, so that may be considered a down-spec or a different spec, depending upon point of view. However, in North America M1 0w-40 and GC are the same price as normal M1 and normal Syntec. The rare, European brands, however, tend to be significantly more money. I've seen Motul (don't remember which one) for $75 a gallon here.
An odd thing to me is that Liqui Moly oil usually doesn't contain any of their Liqui Moly [Lubro Moly] product!
Liqui Moly oil is highly rated.
BTW, I love the Lubro Moly additive.
Liqui Moly oil is highly rated.
BTW, I love the Lubro Moly additive.
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LiquiMoly doesn't have own oil plant, all it's oils made in Meguin plant: www.meguin.com
Their plant is in Ulm in Germany, but they do buy base stock from other oil companies. The performance of their engine oils is on a par with Castrol, but they are about 30% cheaper in Germany.
Nearly all the LM oils have different labels in the US due to the daft use of the term synthetic to include HC oils. So what is called a synthetic technology oil (HC) in Germany is classed as a full synthetic in the US. The other oil companies also have to change type names and labels from Germany to the UK or US.
The reason why LM are such a popular engine oil company is that they are the leading experts in high tech additive technology and it is the quality and balance of the additives that turn an oil into a real star performer, particularly in the long life game.
I do like Castrol and Mobil, but stick to LM at present, but will try Mobil Turbo Diesel 5w40 next year because LM export their Diesel Synthoil 5w40 and won't sell it in Germany.
LiquiMoly doesn't have own oil plant, all it's oils made in Meguin plant: www.meguin.com
Their plant is in Ulm in Germany, but they do buy base stock from other oil companies. The performance of their engine oils is on a par with Castrol, but they are about 30% cheaper in Germany.
Nearly all the LM oils have different labels in the US due to the daft use of the term synthetic to include HC oils. So what is called a synthetic technology oil (HC) in Germany is classed as a full synthetic in the US. The other oil companies also have to change type names and labels from Germany to the UK or US.
The reason why LM are such a popular engine oil company is that they are the leading experts in high tech additive technology and it is the quality and balance of the additives that turn an oil into a real star performer, particularly in the long life game.
I do like Castrol and Mobil, but stick to LM at present, but will try Mobil Turbo Diesel 5w40 next year because LM export their Diesel Synthoil 5w40 and won't sell it in Germany.
Do ANY of LM's oils, on either side of the pond, contain their Ceratec boron nitride additive??
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Do ANY of LM's oils, on either side of the pond, contain their Ceratec boron nitride additive??
Not that I have seen. I know they make a 10w-40 with mos2 already mixed in. I don't know if there are others with mos2 in them.
Do ANY of LM's oils, on either side of the pond, contain their Ceratec boron nitride additive??
Not that I have seen. I know they make a 10w-40 with mos2 already mixed in. I don't know if there are others with mos2 in them.
After digging around the LM website, it appears the oil sold on the US market is different than in Europe.[/quote]
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Originally Posted By: skyship
Some of the others have a nasty habit of back specing their popular oils to save money and they have even changed the base stock on occasions.
After digging around the LM website, it appears the oil sold on the US market is different than in Europe.
Really? That sucks. I'd have thought they would leave the add pack alone and just re-label however business is business and if you can get away with it why wouldn't ya.
That's too bad. I've got 3big jugs of their 0w-40,2 of the mos2 10w-40 and a jug of the 5w-20 iirc. Yellow jug
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Originally Posted By: skyship
Some of the others have a nasty habit of back specing their popular oils to save money and they have even changed the base stock on occasions.
After digging around the LM website, it appears the oil sold on the US market is different than in Europe.
Really? That sucks. I'd have thought they would leave the add pack alone and just re-label however business is business and if you can get away with it why wouldn't ya.
That's too bad. I've got 3big jugs of their 0w-40,2 of the mos2 10w-40 and a jug of the 5w-20 iirc. Yellow jug
Hey Skyship, I have always used Motul and Mobil with much success. Is LM just as good? Does the very expensive Motul im using a watered down version of whats in Europe?
Originally Posted By: fauxchemist
Hey Skyship, I have always used Motul and Mobil with much success. Is LM just as good? Does the very expensive Motul im using a watered down version of whats in Europe?
Mobil are a good engine oil and filter company. LM, Castrol, Mobil and Shell all make oils to similar specs and quality standards. It's unlikely that you will notice any difference in UOA results when comparing similar oils.
Hey Skyship, I have always used Motul and Mobil with much success. Is LM just as good? Does the very expensive Motul im using a watered down version of whats in Europe?
Mobil are a good engine oil and filter company. LM, Castrol, Mobil and Shell all make oils to similar specs and quality standards. It's unlikely that you will notice any difference in UOA results when comparing similar oils.
lm moly is not worth it!! stay with motul
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
lm moly is not worth it!! stay with motul
Am I to assume you tried it and had a bad experience?
I'd love to hear your experience with it and why it's not worth "it". I've personally had nothing but good experiences with the mos2 additive and currently have 12 cans sitting in my basement however I gave cera-tec a shot this time and didn't think there was anything to be gained by mixing them. I will be putting the mos2 in with my next oil change though. I figured qsud this time since my girls windstar is whisper quiet with that oil thus far.
lm moly is not worth it!! stay with motul
Am I to assume you tried it and had a bad experience?
I'd love to hear your experience with it and why it's not worth "it". I've personally had nothing but good experiences with the mos2 additive and currently have 12 cans sitting in my basement however I gave cera-tec a shot this time and didn't think there was anything to be gained by mixing them. I will be putting the mos2 in with my next oil change though. I figured qsud this time since my girls windstar is whisper quiet with that oil thus far.
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Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
lm moly is not worth it!! stay with motul
Am I to assume you tried it and had a bad experience?
I'd love to hear your experience with it and why it's not worth "it". I've personally had nothing but good experiences with the mos2 additive and currently have 12 cans sitting in my basement however I gave cera-tec a shot this time and didn't think there was anything to be gained by mixing them. I will be putting the mos2 in with my next oil change though. I figured qsud this time since my girls windstar is whisper quiet with that oil thus far.
Even though he hates the LM MOS2 anyway, I believe he was referring to ENGINE oils, and NOT additives, as Motul does NOT make a separate additive that I know of.
Originally Posted By: boxcartommie22
lm moly is not worth it!! stay with motul
Am I to assume you tried it and had a bad experience?
I'd love to hear your experience with it and why it's not worth "it". I've personally had nothing but good experiences with the mos2 additive and currently have 12 cans sitting in my basement however I gave cera-tec a shot this time and didn't think there was anything to be gained by mixing them. I will be putting the mos2 in with my next oil change though. I figured qsud this time since my girls windstar is whisper quiet with that oil thus far.
Even though he hates the LM MOS2 anyway, I believe he was referring to ENGINE oils, and NOT additives, as Motul does NOT make a separate additive that I know of.
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