Mobius Watch Oils.

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I am really interested in pocket watches. Naturally I was interested in watch oil. The goto oils are made by mobius. Most are 150 cst. at 68F. Considering they are expected to operate between say 20F and 100F that would be a 300+ cSt span. Why would 10W-30 Mobil 1 not work. Answer: I would bet my last dollar on the fact that it would be ok. . Even at a cost of about 2500/1 its better to be safe than sorry. Watch makers charge a minimum of $150 to clean and oil a watch.
https://www.moebius-lubricants.ch/en/products/oils
 
Mobil1 at one time was a daring in some parts of the shooting world. I have heard watch oils have come a long way in the last 20 years.
 
If the watch oil viscosity is that then I think so. I thought watch oils were ultra thin and more like 0w-8 but I guess some watch oil grades aren't. I can't see why motor oil can't work. Don't imagine watch oil is this magical stuff.

Do you have 20 grade or atf on hand?

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Why would 10W-30 Mobil 1 not work. Answer: I would bet my last dollar on the fact that it would be ok.
https://www.moebius-lubricants.ch/en/products/oils
Engine oil is not a good choice for watches. In watch oil formulations you have to be careful about choosing the correct surfactant and its affect on oil migration.

What would make you think that the various base oil and chemistry in engine oil additive packages would be appropriate for watches and clocks?

I have said this umpteen times: Additive chemistry and choice of base oil is specific to the application.
 
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Engine oil is not a good choice for watches. In watches you have to be careful about choosing the correct surfactant and its affect on oil migration.

What would make you think that the various base oil and chemistry in engine oil additive packages would be appropriate for watches and clocks?

I have said this umpteen times: Additive chemistry and choice of base oil is specific to the application.
Not to mention that watch oil must resist drying and thickening, as well as cold thickening.
I can see a watch lubed with something like 3 in1, OH, it's losing time today because it's cold outside. Nope, not gonna work.
 
I watch the Wristwatch Revival YouTube channel and he works on pocket watches sometimes. He talks about Mobius and uses 2 or 3 viscosities of oil and a grease for certain applications. You're only going to buy it once and the little 1 ml bottles will last you the rest of your lifetime unless you go into the watch repair business.
 
I am really interested in pocket watches. Naturally I was interested in watch oil. The goto oils are made by mobius. Most are 150 cst. at 68F. Considering they are expected to operate between say 20F and 100F that would be a 300+ cSt span. Why would 10W-30 Mobil 1 not work. Answer: I would bet my last dollar on the fact that it would be ok. . Even at a cost of about 2500/1 its better to be safe than sorry. Watch makers charge a minimum of $150 to clean and oil a watch.
https://www.moebius-lubricants.ch/en/products/oils
It would greatly surprise me that the oil plays for a lot in the $150 worth of cleanup. You're paying for labor.
 
So I guess the above answer to Mola's question satisfies my thought and the various opinions expressed above?
 
You would be correct if we were dealing with high loads, temps, abnormal speeds, etc. This is the simplest application of an oil known to man. Thats why 1900 watches lubricated with nothing more than a 150 cst oil could be consistent to 3 parts in 86000

In the early 1900s, watch oils were primarily natural, non-synthetic lubricants derived from animal and vegetable sources. Here's a breakdown of their composition and viscosity characteristics:

🕰️ Composition of Watch Oils in 1900​

  • Sperm Whale Oil: Widely used due to its exceptional stability and low tendency to gum up. It was prized for its ability to maintain lubricity over time and across temperature changes.
  • Other Animal Oils: Refined oils from other animals, such as porpoise jaw oil, were also used in precision instruments.
  • Vegetable Oils: Occasionally used, but less stable and more prone to oxidation and gumming.
  • Mineral Oils: Began to appear as petroleum refining advanced, but were less common in fine watchmaking until later.

🧪 Additives​

  • Minimal to None: Additives were not commonly used in 1900. The concept of enhancing oil performance with chemical additives (like anti-oxidants or viscosity modifiers) was still in its infancy.
  • Natural Refinement: Some oils were purified or filtered to reduce impurities, but this was more about improving clarity and stability than adding performance-enhancing compounds.

🌡️ Viscosity Characteristics​

  • Low Viscosity: Watch oils needed to be extremely light to reduce friction in delicate mechanisms. Sperm whale oil, for example, had a naturally low viscosity suitable for escapements and pivots.
  • Temperature Sensitivity: These oils could thicken or gum up over time or in cold conditions, which is why regular servicing was essential.

You should put quotes around stuff you swiped and give credit with a link or reference.
If you're restoring a vintage watch and want to replicate the original lubrication, modern alternatives like jojoba oil or specially formulated synthetic watch oils (e.g., Nye or Moebius) can mimic the properties of early oils without the drawbacks.

Would you like help choosing a modern oil for a specific vintage watch?
Don't be facetious. I have formulated watch and clock oils for local watch repairmen who didn't want pay exhorbitant prices to Moebius, but repairing those mechanisms is not my cup of tea.
 
So I guess the above answer to Mola's question satisfies my thought and the various opinions expressed above?
I made a comment and then asked a question. "What would make you think that the various base oil and chemistry in engine oil additive packages would be appropriate for watches and clocks?" which you never answered.

You said Mobil 1 should suffice but then go on to suggest specialty Nye and Moebius lubricants which is contradictory.
 
You should put quotes around stuff you swiped and give credit with a link or reference.

Don't be facetious. I have formulated watch and clock oils for local watch repairmen who didn't want pay exhorbitant prices to Moebius, but repairing those mechanisms is not my cup of tea.
You mean like everyone else does not. Its chatgpt

What is special about the oils you formulate vs the whale oil in the early. Modern oils do not appear to help pocket watch longivity. They theoretically need to be serviced every 3 years like in 1910. And they fail at about the same rate (balance stafe breakage). It has been the main failure mode for pocket watches of 1850 to 1970 when shockproof watches came into being.
 
I made a comment and then asked a question. "What would make you think that the various base oil and chemistry in engine oil additive packages would be appropriate for watches and clocks?" which you never answered.

You said Mobil 1 should suffice but then go on to suggest specialty Nye and Moebius lubricants which is contradictory.
My point is that viscosity is the only reasons to use aj specific oil. Additives like in engine oil do not "harm" a vintage pocket watch, nor do they improve longivity or durability in vintage watches. See my previous post.

Again I was asking the question and I have not got an answer that is factually accurate. Pocket watches in early 1900's delivered accuracies of 30 seconds a week on straight 150 non additive oil.

I have 3 serviced 992B that "can" have an accuracy of 3 seconds/day-but don't. I actually adjusted a non serviced one and got it to 4 seconds per day but it is not worth the hassle.
 
You mean like everyone else does not. Its chatgpt
You are not supposed to post AI content per the rules.
What is special about the oils you formulate vs the whale oil in the early. Modern oils do not appear to help pocket watch longivity. They theoretically need to be serviced every 3 years like in 1910. And they fail at about the same rate (balance stafe breakage). It has been the main failure mode for pocket watches of 1850 to 1970 when shockproof watches came into being.
My oils contained specific esters and oil pres ervatives to work with the time pieces they were working on.
 
My point is that viscosity is the only reasons to use aj specific oil. Additives like in engine oil do not "harm" a vintage pocket watch, nor do they improve longivity or durability in vintage watches. See my previous post.
What chemistry in engine oil would not harm brass watch/clock components? PCMO contains about 3500 ppm of sulfur.
Again I was asking the question and I have not got an answer that is factually accurate. Pocket watches in early 1900's delivered accuracies of 30 seconds a week on straight 150 non additive oil.
What is your question that has not been factually answered?
I have 3 serviced 992B that "can" have an accuracy of 3 seconds/day-but don't. I actually adjusted a non serviced one and got it to 4 seconds per day but it is not worth the hassle.
 
So I guess the above answer to Mola's question satisfies my thought and the various opinions expressed above?
No.

Your reply above uses AI, and ignores everything he said.

You satisfied nothing, except to show that you really don’t understand what goes into formulating an oil for an application.

I’ve removed your self-admitted AI generated post, and locked this pointless thread.
 
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