mobil1atf Is it top shelf??
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Are the products from Amsoil, RP, and RedLine application specific? I thought that each of these companies offered multiple application fluids.
Mobil 1 does NOT claim to be a universal ATF. If memory serves me correctly, neither does Royal Purple or RedLine.
Is Mobil 1 ATF top shelf?
You'll get many opinions on that one!
All I can say is I use it in a 96 Camry V-6 I bought new. It now has almost 200,000 miles on the original transmission and shifts as good today as it did (almost seamless) the day I drove it off the dealer's lot 01/1996.
Is Mobil 1 ATF top shelf?
You'll get many opinions on that one!
All I can say is I use it in a 96 Camry V-6 I bought new. It now has almost 200,000 miles on the original transmission and shifts as good today as it did (almost seamless) the day I drove it off the dealer's lot 01/1996.
Can't give you oil specs, but experience wise I've had excellent results with M1 ATF.
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Just wondered if mobil1 atf is group 4? Is it a top shelf product? Still learning thanksfriends.
I've used it and have had good luck as well, but I also have a car that has never seen anything but dino dex II or III (various brands) and has 199,500 miles on it and still works as good as new. '94 Grand Prix and it has been used and abused, primarily by hauling much more than its rated 1000 towing capacity many times. No more money than I spend on transmission fluid I figure it is still worth the upgrade to a good fluid like Mobil 1 so I have been using it in some of my other cars and it has been good so far. I keep my cars a VERY long time so I want them to last.
Mobil does say it is a "Multi Vehicle" ATF (Dexron III, Mercon, Mercon V, ATF+4)
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_Synthetic_ATF.asp
Product Description
Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is a multi-vehicle, fully synthetic fluid designed to meet the demanding requirements of modern passenger vehicles.
Features and Benefits
Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF with SuperSyn Technology outperforms conventional ATFs and provides outstanding resistance to oil breakdown and deposits. The inherently high viscosity index and stability of Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF protects against thermal breakdown at high operating temperatures, while still providing outstanding performance at ambient temperatures as low as -54º C. Further, it improves overall transmission durability and cleanliness. Key features and benefits include:
Features
Advantages and Potential Benefits
Enhanced, long-term frictional properties Improves and extends transmission efficiency, smooth shifting performance and fuel economy
Exceptional thermal and oxidation stability Keeps transmissions clean to extend life and performance even under severe driving conditions
Outstanding film-strength and anti-wear properties Significant wear reduction and longer transmission life
Excellent low-temperature fluidity Provides prompt and reliable lubrication at ambient temperatures down to -54º C
Exceptional shear stability Viscosity retention even under the severest heavy duty, high temperature operating conditions
Compatible with mineral ATF fluids and all common seal materials Reduced concern in top-off emergencies and excellent leakage control
Applications
Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is a multi-vehicle formula recommended for use in modern high performance automobiles, SUV's, SUT's, vans and other light trucks requiring Dexron III , Ford Mercon and Mercon V performance levels
Also recommended by ExxonMobil for Chrysler automatic transmissions
Surpasses the off-highway power transmission requirements of Allison C-4
Suitable for Caterpillar TO-2 applications
Recommended for use in any power steering unit where a Dexron or Mercon fluid is recommended
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Specifications and Approvals
Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF has the following builder approvals:
Allison C-4
Ford Mercon
General Motors Dexron III
Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is recommended for use in applications requiring:
Caterpillar TO-2
Vickers 35VQ25 Vane Pump Test
Sundstrand Piston Pump Test
Typical Properties
Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C 34
cSt @ 100º C 7.6
Brookfield Viscosity, ASTM D 5293
-cP @ -40º C 5190
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 199
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 236
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.86
Color Red
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Our 94 toyota previa has 203k, and is exactly the same - shifts as good as the day we drove it new off the lot... but we have only ever used Toyota T-IV (or whatever the dealer fluid was) over its lifetime, changed at 30-40k intervals.
JMH
unDummy said it better than I did. "Multi-vehicle" and the term "Universai," as applied to transmission fluids, do NOT mean the same thing.
One thing I like about Mobil transmission fluids is that Mobil is very careful to let you know just what specs. their fluids are certified to meet and caution against their usage outside of those specified areas (example: Mobil 3309).
Insofar as Mobil 1 ATF, many other 'non-universal' fluids are also certified for the Chrysler, Dexron & 2 Mercon specs. Again, that's not a 'universal' fluid.
One thing I like about Mobil transmission fluids is that Mobil is very careful to let you know just what specs. their fluids are certified to meet and caution against their usage outside of those specified areas (example: Mobil 3309).
Insofar as Mobil 1 ATF, many other 'non-universal' fluids are also certified for the Chrysler, Dexron & 2 Mercon specs. Again, that's not a 'universal' fluid.
There is no definition. Its just a simple marketing term.
You need to know your spec and its equivalents before selecting a fluid. Mobil1 is great as a PSF, and as a DexronII-III or MerconI-V. I would not use it as a Z1, J or K matic, T-IV, SPIII, ATF+4, or..... without Lubegard, Runrite or Smartblend fluid converter. And, its too thick to use as a SP, WS, or VI substitute.
You need to know your spec and its equivalents before selecting a fluid. Mobil1 is great as a PSF, and as a DexronII-III or MerconI-V. I would not use it as a Z1, J or K matic, T-IV, SPIII, ATF+4, or..... without Lubegard, Runrite or Smartblend fluid converter. And, its too thick to use as a SP, WS, or VI substitute.
Quick answer: Yes its "topself." If its specs meet your requirement use it, if not don't. At less than $7 at either AA or AZ its reasonably priced and easy to find. It'll mix well with the fluid in your transmission if you're not doing a complete switch out. Using in my F150 with no problems.
Been using Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in my BMW for the last 21,000 miles. My car's trany (a GM) specs dexron III. Seems to work very well.
The Mobil 1 bottle lists the specifications that it meets.
Read your owner's manual to determine the specification that is required for your vehicle....and then see if it is listed on the Mobil 1 bottle.
If it is not listed, don't use it....unless you consult with someone MUCH more knowlegable than me......as to what additive could be added to possiblily make it meet the specification.
The Newer "variable drive" transmissions require a specific fluid specification....that the Mobil 1 likely does not meet....even with additives.
Also, Redline has several ATF fluids, a visit to their website will enable you to look at each fluid, and the recommended applications for each.
Multivehicle means just that......can be used in multiple vehicles.
Dextron "xx" is a General Motors Specification
Mercon "x" is a Ford specification.
A number of manufactures make fluids that meet several manufacturer's specifications, but again, it is super important to see if the specification that YOUR vehicle calls for is listed.
The "Best" fluid is no good if it does not meet the specifications for your application.
Universal....is a claim to work in all....or nearly all applications.
Again, a careful read of the label, or the manufactures website is called for to search out your specific specification.
Do NOT rely on a sales person's statements....unless you can back them up with facts, from the product label, or the manufacture's website.
That said.......I have had great success with Mobil 1.....in my vehicle that calls for the Mercon specified fluid.
Read your owner's manual to determine the specification that is required for your vehicle....and then see if it is listed on the Mobil 1 bottle.
If it is not listed, don't use it....unless you consult with someone MUCH more knowlegable than me......as to what additive could be added to possiblily make it meet the specification.
The Newer "variable drive" transmissions require a specific fluid specification....that the Mobil 1 likely does not meet....even with additives.
Also, Redline has several ATF fluids, a visit to their website will enable you to look at each fluid, and the recommended applications for each.
Multivehicle means just that......can be used in multiple vehicles.
Dextron "xx" is a General Motors Specification
Mercon "x" is a Ford specification.
A number of manufactures make fluids that meet several manufacturer's specifications, but again, it is super important to see if the specification that YOUR vehicle calls for is listed.
The "Best" fluid is no good if it does not meet the specifications for your application.
Universal....is a claim to work in all....or nearly all applications.
Again, a careful read of the label, or the manufactures website is called for to search out your specific specification.
Do NOT rely on a sales person's statements....unless you can back them up with facts, from the product label, or the manufacture's website.
That said.......I have had great success with Mobil 1.....in my vehicle that calls for the Mercon specified fluid.
M1 ATF seems to work very well in my '99 F150 that requires Mercon V in its 4r70w tranny. It meets the application, costs about $6 a qt at my source, shifts feel much better than the preceeding Valvoline Mercon V.
OK, after a number of trans problems, and finally a replacement trans on my 98 F150, I went with M1 instead of the Ford speced Mercon V. This was before M1 was Mercon V rated. The trans has well over 100K trouble free miles. Not impressive until you consider the abuse and heat it suffers. Towing 40 foot trailers in Florida and around the South is tough on transmissions.
By the way:
M1 ATF old: pour point -55f
M1 ATF new: pour point -65.2f
Chris
By the way:
M1 ATF old: pour point -55f
M1 ATF new: pour point -65.2f
Chris
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