Another thing I like about XM is the fact they do not call out by company name, criticizing them publically, belitting their product. The other oil producers show their desperation by doing that. Either on the web are other public advertiseing. Xm seems to have taken a higher road in this regard.
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Originally Posted By: tenderloin
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If you truly believe that some of the top auto makers just put M1 in because of money and or a marketing ploy....that is your opinion.
I doubt someone who spends $260,000 on a Aston buys it for the M1 inside. IMO Aston and the rest use M1 because it is a well known quality product that will serve their respective vehicles and customers well.
If each company benefits by the relationship, what is the problem?
First, I consider myself to be one of those "in the middle". I have used it but don't have strong feelings one way or another.
I do think there is a marketing angle involved, but not just on Mobil's part. It is to the benefit of the high end car makers to associate themselves with what is perceived to be a high end oil product. To do anything else would dilute the image they have worked to promote. It also serves as a backstop against truly bad oil being put into the vehicles. It is hard to imagine the situation in which this might happen, but when you sell thousands of vehicles, it is statistically certain that it will happen to a few.
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If you truly believe that some of the top auto makers just put M1 in because of money and or a marketing ploy....that is your opinion.
I doubt someone who spends $260,000 on a Aston buys it for the M1 inside. IMO Aston and the rest use M1 because it is a well known quality product that will serve their respective vehicles and customers well.
If each company benefits by the relationship, what is the problem?
First, I consider myself to be one of those "in the middle". I have used it but don't have strong feelings one way or another.
I do think there is a marketing angle involved, but not just on Mobil's part. It is to the benefit of the high end car makers to associate themselves with what is perceived to be a high end oil product. To do anything else would dilute the image they have worked to promote. It also serves as a backstop against truly bad oil being put into the vehicles. It is hard to imagine the situation in which this might happen, but when you sell thousands of vehicles, it is statistically certain that it will happen to a few.
It's just oil, but around here that often means some sort of cult, either for or Delvac 1 in the diesel pickup as it seems to be one of better oils that is readily available. I used a mix of Delvac 1300 and 1 for awhile but the engine seems to like 100% Delvac 1 better. Please suggest a better 5w40 oil if you think I'm just being stubborn, stupid, and simple.
I used M1 5w30 T&S in the gas engines as when I switched to synthetic it was one of the readily available oils that had an A/B5 rating, suggesting a robust 5w30. At the time the vanilla M1 didn't have the rating, nor did much else offered by others. Just being stubborn, stupid, and simple I guess.
But, it seems that I might have to switch to something else as I can't find the M1 5w30 T&S anymore, the other fancy M1 oils are more expensive, and the vanilla M1 doesn't seem to be as robust as what I was using.
I used M1 5w30 T&S in the gas engines as when I switched to synthetic it was one of the readily available oils that had an A/B5 rating, suggesting a robust 5w30. At the time the vanilla M1 didn't have the rating, nor did much else offered by others. Just being stubborn, stupid, and simple I guess.
But, it seems that I might have to switch to something else as I can't find the M1 5w30 T&S anymore, the other fancy M1 oils are more expensive, and the vanilla M1 doesn't seem to be as robust as what I was using.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Yes, and others attack it as if XM were the ones attacking their family. I don't understand that hysteria.
Yep, the knife cuts both ways......Lets see how many pages this thread grows into.
Yes, and others attack it as if XM were the ones attacking their family. I don't understand that hysteria.
Yep, the knife cuts both ways......Lets see how many pages this thread grows into.
Wow. M1 sure is a touchy subject.
All I wanted to address is the general attitude of M1 users that I've encountered in regular life.
Obviously Mobil1 should be regarded as an industry leader because of the exposure they've created for ALL synthetic oil brands.
Their bottles look cool, too.
All I wanted to address is the general attitude of M1 users that I've encountered in regular life.
Obviously Mobil1 should be regarded as an industry leader because of the exposure they've created for ALL synthetic oil brands.
Their bottles look cool, too.
Their marketing is the best in the industry, their balance sheet proves it.
Why have several people mentioned that this thread will be locked? Aren't oil discussions the POINT of this board?
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Why have several people mentioned that this thread will be locked? Aren't oil discussions the POINT of this board?
They WANT this thread locked.
Why have several people mentioned that this thread will be locked? Aren't oil discussions the POINT of this board?
They WANT this thread locked.
I certainly would not say that Mobil is the finest oil ever made, nor would I say that has been implied by others throughout these M1 threads. I however would agree that XOM is the best in marketing it's product, far exceeding it's competition. On my little spec of the planet where I live, there are 5 neighbors that know absolutely nothing about their cars. If their oil cap stated "use only M1", then that would likely be all they use. I felt the same about Chrysler coolant until I did a little research. Using anything else could cause damage. 7k miles later on an off-the-shelf coolant has yielded no problems. A non-car person, following the directions printed on the oil cap, using exclusively M1 oil will likely never experience an oil related issue with their engine. A car-guy using exclusively SuperTech dino will likely never experience an oil related issue. M1 is a very good product with an amazing marketing model. Don't bash them for that. By the way... I'm 38 years old, and have have used M1 four times for OCI's. I personally do not have enough experience or knowledge to form an opinion on it's performance.
XM is the industry leader. As engine builders around the world change their product, XM is most often the company re-formulating to meet the higher standards. They have the resources to do that. Know wonder M1 is tagged on MB, Vette, Viper, and all the rest.
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The name is well known and been around for a long time. Since its synthetic introduction it was top of the game. Since its readily available & they spend a lot on marketing people can't help but think its the standard in oil excellence. You say synthetic oil and people say Mobil1. At least in North America. Other parts of the world may have their flavor which may be different.
M1 formulations have changed, for good or not as good it is still a great oil. Unfortunately they are pricing themselves out of common Joes pocketbook. When you see Pennzoil, Quaker State, offering their synthetic formulations for $10 less or more Mobil1 seems a little much. For those die hard users, it will be the same choice. Kinda like truck owners always buying a certain brand cuz grandpa and dad did it so must I. Tradition.
For me, I have always known even before BITOG, if I wanted an oil that offered a little better protection, I would choose a sythtetic if I thought the application needed it. After BITOG, I first look at opinion, then look at the UOA's then I go with the best oil, best price, my application. In my truck its PYB, in my car PP.
M1 formulations have changed, for good or not as good it is still a great oil. Unfortunately they are pricing themselves out of common Joes pocketbook. When you see Pennzoil, Quaker State, offering their synthetic formulations for $10 less or more Mobil1 seems a little much. For those die hard users, it will be the same choice. Kinda like truck owners always buying a certain brand cuz grandpa and dad did it so must I. Tradition.
For me, I have always known even before BITOG, if I wanted an oil that offered a little better protection, I would choose a sythtetic if I thought the application needed it. After BITOG, I first look at opinion, then look at the UOA's then I go with the best oil, best price, my application. In my truck its PYB, in my car PP.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Smokescreen,
M1 does cost a little more, but just saw Synpower at Walmart and it was $23.00 a jug. so it's coming up in price as well.
Where I live, WalMart has Synpower for $23.00, PP for $23.00, Mobil 1 for $26.00, and Castrol Syntec for $26.50.
Smokescreen,
M1 does cost a little more, but just saw Synpower at Walmart and it was $23.00 a jug. so it's coming up in price as well.
Where I live, WalMart has Synpower for $23.00, PP for $23.00, Mobil 1 for $26.00, and Castrol Syntec for $26.50.
Where I live, old stock of PP is $21.88, new stock is 38.88 (QS ans Syntec close) and M1 is 47.77.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Also when you are the industry leader, striving to meet new requirements of engine builders around the world, It's my view only XM may have the resources R&D to meet the new standards. Every one else follows XM to comply.
Don't forget about the additive suppliers. They often no more than the oil companies. XOM buy's additives from many companies to formulate Mobil 1 although some come from Mobil Chemical corp.
Also when you are the industry leader, striving to meet new requirements of engine builders around the world, It's my view only XM may have the resources R&D to meet the new standards. Every one else follows XM to comply.
Don't forget about the additive suppliers. They often no more than the oil companies. XOM buy's additives from many companies to formulate Mobil 1 although some come from Mobil Chemical corp.
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