Hundreds more, SX, maybe thousands..
More and more noobs every day..
More and more noobs every day..
Mobil still 100% synthetic
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Here, regular is 87, mid-grade is 89, premium is 91, and the really good stuff is 94.
I did not mean to stir up a hornet's nest about this but here is exactly what Mobil's response was to my inquiry:
Thank you for your inquiry,
To meet the demanding requirements of today's
specifications (and our customers' expectations) Mobil 1 uses
high-performance synthetic fluids, including polyalphaolefins
(PAO),
along
with a proprietary system of additives. In fact, each Mobil 1
viscosity
grade uses a specific combination of synthetic fluids and
selected
additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its unique
requirement.
Mobil1 motor oils are still 100% synthetic motor oils and do not
use
conventional basestocks in the formulation.
--
Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at
1-800-ASK-MOBIL
-Matt Jacob
Thank you for your inquiry,
To meet the demanding requirements of today's
specifications (and our customers' expectations) Mobil 1 uses
high-performance synthetic fluids, including polyalphaolefins
(PAO),
along
with a proprietary system of additives. In fact, each Mobil 1
viscosity
grade uses a specific combination of synthetic fluids and
selected
additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its unique
requirement.
Mobil1 motor oils are still 100% synthetic motor oils and do not
use
conventional basestocks in the formulation.
--
Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at
1-800-ASK-MOBIL
-Matt Jacob
"Conventional" meaning, no GroupI.
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In SPITE of their bottom-tier, watery, low-add, crummy, ethanol-laden gasoline..
Agreed. I only use Shell V-Power and mid-grade fuels.
is XOM gas really that bad
I'm still waiting to hear how so many people read one poster's results of a GC of Mobil 1 Extended Performance and have concluded that regular Mobil 1 is also now in the Group III category.
Ditto that in California, Nevada, and Arizona. Apparently Michigan is a truly unique and wonderful state that has an entirely different set of octane standards.
(although catching a station with a listed pump octane above 91 is just slightly easier than swimming to the Andromeda galaxy...)
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I'm still waiting to hear how so many people read one poster's results of a GC of Mobil 1 Extended Performance and have concluded that regular Mobil 1 is also now in the Group III category.
It's known as the herd mentality.
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I'm still waiting to hear how so many people read one poster's results of a GC of Mobil 1 Extended Performance and have concluded that regular Mobil 1 is also now in the Group III category.
It's known as the herd mentality.
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Agreed. I only use Shell V-Power and mid-grade fuels.
I have-yet to find a "real" mid-grade fuel. All the ones I see listed as mid-grade are 89 octane.
They sell us 87 octane as regular
They sell us 93 octane as premium
But no one wants to give us 90 octane as mid-grade.
Boycott that 89 octane stuff. Don't buy it. Odds are, your vehicle runs the same on 87 octane - or it needs 93 octane for other reasons. If nobody buys the 89 octane, then either the price gap from 87 to 93 gets reduced, or the gas companies start giving us the real medium octane - so the octane scale works evenly ... ie... 87-90-93.
Most cars are designed for 87, 89, or 91 octane. Typically it's cheaper to get 89 octane by filling with 1 part premium and two parts regular; 91 octane is cheapest by filling with one part regular and two parts premium. 89 octane is usually half way between 87 & 93 octane but it provides only one third of the octane boost. Bottom line: 89 octane is a rip off!
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I'm still waiting to hear how so many people read one poster's results of a GC of Mobil 1 Extended Performance and have concluded that regular Mobil 1 is also now in the Group III category.
It's known as the herd mentality.
It is simple you get the truth about 2 grades of their product from said poster with the G.C.
Then look at the back at everyones stash of stuff and hey start noticing the specs change for the worse. Then watch even more specs change on other products and BINGO you have a theory. When you ask the manufacturer who specifically said no GPIII in the past who will now on parse their words VERY CAREFULLy, you have probably valid assumptions. Cross that with when you find evidence on their website at the time that listed GPIII still as a conventional oil not a true synthetic and when pointed out on this forum was then pulled from the website in a mere 45 minutes. This was from a company who put out a reformulated Mobil Drive Clean that was SL/GF-4 MS-6395 (I know I used it) that was NEVER acknowledged on their website they waited for 5000/7500/15000. You now have a clear pattern of evidence that until proven otherwise you should assume it must be GPIII as a primary or large percentage base.
If it was not they would have just said we have found that a small portion is great for holding additives in suspension or something.
So they were caught while having stuff on their site that still said that in their eyes GPIII are not true synthetics and now are rewritten or removed from their site. What else can you suspect? Some will not be happy until they admit it and those are M1 apologists blinded by the M1 light.
Is it still a good product? So far seems yeah. Does it seem to provide better UOA than other GPIII syns NOPE. So why pay the premium is what a lot of people are asking. Simple.
If these people were you kid you'd ground them for lying. Oh, yeah in todays world I guess that is normal. I used to be an M1 only fan but stopped several years ago. Now for the price I'd rather have AMSOIL. Heck Amsoil over the counter around here is closer in price to Mobil 1 than Mobil 1 is to PP. So like others have been asking why, WHY pay the price?
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[quoteMost cars are designed for 87, 89, or 91 octane.
Most (majority) are designed for 87 octane. The mid-point between 87 and 93 is 90... not 89. The gas companies are not stupid. If they all sold 90 octane, their 93 octane sales would fall. It reduces more ping in engines than just one less number of octane of 89. 93 is also a matter of ultimate profits for the gas companies. They surely don't want to encounter a dip in that margin.
They are charging you mid-grade prices for a product that's only two octane numbers over regular. Why folks pay that price is beyond me. Even the small number of vehicles that require a tad higher octane should complain about pricing. 89 shoud be 33.3% more than regular.... not 50%.
Buy it all you want .... but my math says someone is cheating me - so I boycott!
Most (majority) are designed for 87 octane. The mid-point between 87 and 93 is 90... not 89. The gas companies are not stupid. If they all sold 90 octane, their 93 octane sales would fall. It reduces more ping in engines than just one less number of octane of 89. 93 is also a matter of ultimate profits for the gas companies. They surely don't want to encounter a dip in that margin.
They are charging you mid-grade prices for a product that's only two octane numbers over regular. Why folks pay that price is beyond me. Even the small number of vehicles that require a tad higher octane should complain about pricing. 89 shoud be 33.3% more than regular.... not 50%.
Buy it all you want .... but my math says someone is cheating me - so I boycott!
If you need 90, mix 93&87 at a 50/50 ratio. Skip the 89.
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In SPITE of their bottom-tier, watery, low-add, crummy, ethanol-laden gasoline..
Agreed. I only use Shell V-Power and mid-grade fuels.
is XOM gas really that bad
No, I guess not, it's just satire. I don't think XOM's fuel is in the Top-Tier rating scheme, but of course, they'd argue in private that it meets the standard and it probably does. 99% of the motoring public could not care less about top-tier fuel, so what's XOM care?
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