I thought it was generally agreed that Group 1 conventional and Group 5 Ester base stocks have the best cleaning properties.
Whereas Group 3 and PAO are the worst.
Whereas Group 3 and PAO are the worst.
You can have polar and non-polar esters (Gr 5).I thought it was generally agreed that Group 1 conventional and Group 5 Ester base stocks have the best cleaning properties.
Whereas Group 3 and PAO are the worst.
Group 1 is rare in the US but there are still loads of Group 1 conventional oils being sold across the world.You can have polar and non-polar esters (Gr 5).
Gr3+ performs more like PAO whereas Gr3 has better solvency.
I think Gr2 has good solvency and Gr1 is not used today but I may be wrong. @OVERKILL had some data from Chevron on Gr 2 EHC.
I think OVERKILL and others have already mentioned M1 0w40. Are you waiting on a invitation or….So would me using a 0w40 in a 10w 30 application be okay? Might not lubricate or go through engine correctly? I'm planning on running Mobil 10w30 extended. Guard oil change coming soon . It advertised clean up existing sludge in one oil change. Most other commercial oils don't or do not advertise that,just existing deposits sludge not old stuff.
Your engine will not act differently using M1 0w40 compared to 10w30, unless the temperature is significantly below zero F at startup.So would me using a 0w40 in a 10w 30 application be okay? Might not lubricate or go through engine correctly? I'm planning on running Mobil 10w30 extended. Guard oil change coming soon . It advertised clean up existing sludge in one oil change. Most other commercial oils don't or do not advertise that,just existing deposits sludge not old stuff.
Agree. Instead of guessing try HPL EC or oils.I would, probably, trust only HPL for proper "cleaning".
Something as simple as increased viscosity can reduce consumption.The new triple action formula has done something to reduce consumption in my altima. It always had about a quart go missing after 3000 miles whether it was m1 annual protection or the old formula m1 EP or valvolin advanced synthetic. But after 3, 3500 mile OCIs with triple action m1 EP i saw consumption slowly decrease to 1/4 of a quart after 4500 miles on the 4th OCI. Who know what it was doing but im not complaining
I didnt increase viscosity. It specs 5w30Something as simple as increased viscosity can reduce consumption.
Completely different than what ANs & polar esters will accomplish.
Take a look at the viscosities of PP 5w30 and Pennz Euro L 5w30. They’re both 5w30s, but the Euro L is nearly 20% more viscous at 100*C. That’s not inconsequential; maybe the two oils you used are similar to this example.I didnt increase viscosity. It specs 5w30
M1 AP is 11.7@100cTake a look at the viscosities of PP 5w30 and Pennz Euro L 5w30. They’re both 5w30s, but the Euro L is nearly 20% more viscous at 100*C. That’s not inconsequential; maybe the two oils you used are similar to this example.![]()
Too bad you don’t know the viscosities of the base oils, which would also give you an idea of how much VII is in each one.M1 AP is 11.7@100c
M1 triple action is 10.8@100c
M1 ep triple action+ is 10.15@100c
Serious question, what do you think this will accomplish other than burning money at an even faster rate? If the oil that’s used doesn’t have alkylated napthalenes and/or polar esters, changing the oil more frequently isn’t going to accomplish anything other than lightening your wallet in a more-rapid fashion.How about running any SP rated synthetic oil for short OCI's of 2,500 miles with a new oil filter done a few times ?
That would be cool to know! I believe the new triple action formula oils use a good chunk of ANsToo bad you don’t know the viscosities of the base oils, which would also give you an idea of how much VII is in each one.
I’d like to know if they use ANs as well… I think right now it’s just a guess, I don’t think the PDS or SDS mention it from what’s been posted here.That would be cool to know! I believe the new triple action formula oils use a good chunk of ANs