Mobil 1 now containing GTL

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Pontual
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Not the best oil, since is a compromise between cost production and gross profit...


Name one oil that is superior in wear protection, but costs significantly less than the masses and is available everywhere?


No, just pay more if you want a better product.Not all more expensive is better, depends on application. Joe Gibbs Racing oils is way better from protection against wear on a track, for example and uses mPAO, A THING M1 NEVER HAD NOR WILL.


http://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/Chem-English/brands/spectrasyn-elite-mpao.aspx?ln=productsservices

1. Joe Gibbs doesn't make base oils and IF they are using mPAO, they probably buy it from XOM.

2. Unless you work as a formulator for XOM (you don't) you have no idea if they use it in their products or not. Given that they are the ones that make the product, why would you think they wouldn't use it?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Pontual
No, just pay more if you want a better product.Not all more expensive is better, depends on application. Joe Gibbs Racing oils is way better from protection against wear on a track, for example and uses mPAO, A THING Mobil 1 NEVER HAD NOR WILL.

Like you said, it depends on application. We are not talking about racing oils here. Mobil 1 0w-40 is for street applications and has to adhere to API/ACEA restrictions. XOM does have racing oils in its portfolio, too, but they don't claim any API or ACEA compliance. So, that's kind of apples to oranges comparison.

How do Joe Gibbs racing oils compare to Mobil 1 racing oils? Can you provide links to to some objective comparison tests?


Even if we ARE talking about race oils, how many teams at LeMans and Daytona have run Mobil 1 0w-40? Plenty of factory race teams like Mercedes, Porsche....etc.

This strikes me as shoot from the hip claim and blame or some drive-by slagging. How does one qualify "way better" in the above post? And what is that remark based on?

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
How does one qualify "way better" in the above post? And what is that remark based on?

Exactly. That's why I asked him for some evidence.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
How does one qualify "way better" in the above post? And what is that remark based on?

Exactly. That's why I asked him for some evidence.

 

[edyvw]

Joe Gibbs again? Oh lord.

 

[Garak]

Well, you know, Joe Gibbs is the only company in the world that makes racing oils.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Well, you know, Joe Gibbs is the only company in the world that makes racing oils.

This Joe Gibbs advertising here is really pathetic.

 

[Leonardo629]

I'm gonna stick with Mobil, at least it's in the name.

 

[Pontual]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
How does one qualify "way better" in the above post? And what is that remark based on?

Exactly. That's why I asked him for some evidence.

Is Nascar title better enough?

Link: www.nascar.com


And as most dont know, they do other applications besides racing oils.

And that was just an exampke of better performance than the "holy grail, can afford "Movel one" up more a dozen of ppm of iron an noises.
Obi-L-one

TOOOMA!

 

[Pontual]

What? Link?



https://www.google.com.br/search?sclient...e+higher+noises

https://www.google.com.br/search?sclient...3.0.ajB4y35Dwk4

Yes, Movel 1, there is No substitute!

Now, line up for more evidences...kkkkk

 

[Garak]

Pontual, how many Formula 1 teams does Joe Gibbs supply?

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Pontual
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER HYDROGENATED 68037-01-4 10 - < 20%


The decene is the light part of the PAO base oil. Decene has a 2 cst viscosity with high thermal stability, so the Noak will be lowered a lot by that, reducing the volatility of the lighter part of the oil.


that IS the PAO.

More likely to be 4cst+

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Pontual
What? Link?



https://www.google.com.br/search?sclient...e+higher+noises

https://www.google.com.br/search?sclient...3.0.ajB4y35Dwk4


I asked for links to objective comparison tests, not to people's whining on internet forums.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Pontual
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
How does one qualify "way better" in the above post? And what is that remark based on?

Exactly. That's why I asked him for some evidence.

Is Nascar title better enough?

Link: www.nascar.com


And as most dont know, they do other applications besides racing oils.

And that was just an exampke of better performance than the "holy grail, can afford "Movel one" up more a dozen of ppm of iron an noises.
Obi-L-one

TOOOMA!


No, it isn't. Formula 1, the 24hr GT cars...etc are all more demanding than NASCAR where you have engines intentionally restricted.

Gibbs has won 4 Sprint Cup Series Championships and one XFinity for a total of 5. Hendrick has won 15 (Valvoline is one of their sponsors), Jack Roush has won 8 (Valvoline), Richard Childress Racing has won 13 (Valvoline). By that metric, Valvoline is how much better than Gibbs? LMAO!!!


http://www.nascar.com/en_us/sponsors/mobil1.html

Originally Posted By: NASCAR
Mobil 1 Motor Oil, the Official Motor Oil of NASCAR, is used by over half of teams competing in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, NASCAR Nationwide Series and NASCAR Camping World Truck Series. The 2016 NASCAR season marks the 14th consecutive season in which the Mobil 1 brand is an official partner of NASCAR


And then we have the fact that over 1/2 of the field runs Mobil products even if they've got another brand as a sponsor. Yeah, must be AWFUL stuff

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Leonardo629
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Mobil 1 0W40 is very good oil. No mistake in buying that.
However, I am not sure based on numbers how this oil distinguishes itself? HTHS is OK, nothing else. I liked MRV, but unless NOACK is ridiculously low, I am not sure why I would buy this oil and not Castrol 0W40? or Pennzoil Platinum Euro with HTHS of 3.88cp and NOACK of 6.8%.
Unless Mobil brings ESP version, I think my garage wont see Mobil 1 0W40 anymore.


I provided a VOA, and I guess someone will soon share an UOA, that's when we should write off the oil all together.

If the new M1 really contains GTL basestock, then it's not going to show up in a VOA.



Blackstone can't tell if an oil is conventional or synthetic.

They can if you're willing to pay $25,000.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Pontual, how many Formula 1 teams does Joe Gibbs supply?

My neighbor with HEMI Durango always wants to race me at stop light. You think Joe Gibbs will make sure I leave him in dust with my oil burner?

 

[Garak]

Well, if not, at least you spent $20 a liter.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Well, if not, at least you spent $20 a liter.

I was under impression Joe Gibbs will get you at least 50hp and 50 torque.
I mean, that is impression I get fro people here

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: buster
Mobil doesn't seem to use their own mPAO in their formulations. If they do, it's in small amounts based on the MSDS.


I'm not sure if they would be required to differentiate between PAO and mPAO on an MSDS, they could probably use a pile of different PAO bases and they'd all fall under the same CAS number.

This is why Pontual postulating that they don't use it in their products is absurd. They manufacture it, why wouldn't they use it? It isn't like Gibbs manufactures base oils, they probably buy them from XOM, including the mPAO.



Good points.

 

[Leonardo629]

It is my understanding XOM has a pretty decent size portfolio of ester and PAO that they used in all of the lubricants they manufacture.

On a side note: Mobil 1 5W50 has also been replaced by Mobil 1 FS X2 5W50