Mobil 1 Extended Performance

[Gene K]

Are we sure those are all D2896?

 

[NuttCase]

Are we sure those are all D2896?

Yes, D2896 is referenced on all the tech sheets

 

[OVERKILL]

Lot's of different PAO so it can vary but as an example it's possible the wear numbers wouldn't be quite as good. However you shouldn't lose sight of the fact that oil is a fully formulated product and you can't really conclude anything by just looking at the base used. It's very possible to build a superior product from various bases. Just ask Ferrari about the oil they use in Formula 1 (Primarily GIII+ unless it's changed).

The additive package is really what dictates the wear numbers, the base oil is just there to provide the viscosity and resist breakdown. PAO is more of a PITA to blend with because it requires something else to offset it being hard on/shrinking seals, which is typically POE, which is also expensive. So ultimately, the combo ends up being more expensive. Of course the advantage is better oxidation resistance and better cold temperature performance. Also, the slate of PAO base viscosities is extremely broad, which is why I think Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w20 is basically a monograde with its VI of 131. Mobil has likely used a blend of PAO bases to hit the target visc and using POE and maybe some AN's to aide in solvency and seal compatibility.

It's probably the most visc stable 0w-20 on the market, it's also probably one of Mobil's most expensive oils to blend. But since they are so vertically integrated, that's likely not a big factor in the total scheme of things.

 

[4wd]

The additive package is really what dictates the wear numbers, the base oil is just there to provide the viscosity and resist breakdown. PAO is more of a PITA to blend with because it requires something else to offset it being hard on/shrinking seals, which is typically POE, which is also expensive. So ultimately, the combo ends up being more expensive. Of course the advantage is better oxidation resistance and better cold temperature performance. Also, the slate of PAO base viscosities is extremely broad, which is why I think Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w20 is basically a monograde with its VI of 131. Mobil has likely used a blend of PAO bases to hit the target visc and using POE and maybe some AN's to aide in solvency and seal compatibility.

It's probably the most visc stable 0w-20 on the market, it's also probably one of Mobil's most expensive oils to blend. But since they are so vertically integrated, that's likely not a big factor in the total scheme of things.

Sadly coming to the end of my Mobil 1 Annual Protection 0W20 stash - So, think it’s time for the two 8 quart 5.3L’s to go 5W30 and let the new Lexus mill enjoy the good stuff for 10k runs …

 

[Ed_Flecko]

0w-20 EP is 60-70% PAO, which makes it special in this price range. The only issue its out of stock everywhere

Where do you see 60-70% PAO?

Unless I'm missing something (and I may be), it's 20-30% - https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...ended-performance-0w-20#lightbox-sdsdatasheet

Ed

 

[tolian21]

Where do you see 60-70% PAO?

Unless I'm missing something (and I may be), it's 20-30% - https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...ended-performance-0w-20#lightbox-sdsdatasheet

Ed

It was true at the time of my post, the formulation has changed since

 

[I<3oil]

i wouldn't recommend an oral analysis

You bumped a 2 year old thread just to say this?

 

[cryptolyme]

You bumped a 2 year old thread just to say this?

sure did. came up on a google search.

 

[I<3oil]

sure did. came up on a google search.

I see. And you thought it was a good idea?

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Thread starter Gene K has been absent here at BITOG several months.
Let us know you're fine Gene. You were once a busy participator here and for quite a while.

 

[cryptolyme]

I see. And you thought it was a good idea?

yea, and? you are posting here too. i don't see what the big deal is.

 

[I<3oil]

yea, and? you are posting here too. i don't see what the big deal is.

Most normal people don’t bump 2 year old threads just to post what you posted so it boggles the mind and people are inquisitive as to the why.

 

[ChrisD46]

I’m going to weigh in here on the vehicles in my sig using the newer Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 SP D1/Gen3 rated “Triple Action” oil : This is definitely a different formulation than the older SN rated oil . Without scientific analysis I can say that my engines run quieter and smoother on it than previous Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 which was noisier and not as smooth in my engines . I used the previous Mobil 1 5W30 for the typical clean internals Mobil 1 was noted for but didn’t care for the noise / lack of smoothness of engines while running . This new Mobil 1 is a different animal and I must say I like it a lot . Even though I change my oil out closer to severe service schedules , I am going to get a used oil analysis done for grins to see how the oil is actually performing in my GDI Hyundai at 4,000 miles OCI and go from there . My other two engines are older technology PFI engines which should be s cake walk for this Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil . Lastly, at on $2 more than regular / vanilla Mobil 1 5W30 oil - why not use Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil (in case you have a sudden urge to drive across the country) ?

 

[buster]

They changed their MSDS portal and looks like there was a revision. The EP line contains PAO/GTL/III. ESP 0w30 is PAO.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...ts/products/mobil-1-extended-performance-5w30


10w30

 

[spj]

They changed their MSDS portal and looks like there was a revision. The EP line contains PAO/GTL/III. ESP 0w30 is PAO.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...ts/products/mobil-1-extended-performance-5w30


10w30

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Buster, I have to chuckle at the mystery that is Mobil's MSDSs. Folks dumping the latest 5W30 EP because it was only showing GIII with half of the base oil not listed, but surprise, it appears to be at least 50% PAO!

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Buster, I have to chuckle at the mystery that is Mobil's MSDSs. Folks dumping the latest 5W30 EP because it was only showing GIII with half of the base oil not listed, but surprise, it appears to be at least 50% PAO!

How do you get that it’s “at least” 50%?

An MSDS is not a recipe even at the biggest stretch.

 

[Ronin73]

Buster, I have to chuckle at the mystery that is Mobil's MSDSs. Folks dumping the latest 5W30 EP because it was only showing GIII with half of the base oil not listed, but surprise, it appears to be at least 50% PAO!

Where are you getting 50% PAO from? The MSDS doesn’t state that.

 

[facility1]

or 10% PAO?,,or what ever the viscosity of the finished oil,0w-16 or 10w30 etc ,what is the other base oils used? I presume lower viscosity oils use more PAO and higher less PAO and more group three like most other blenders.

 

[spj]

Where are you getting 50% PAO from? The MSDS doesn’t state that.

Did you guys even look? It is right there for the reading. Wow.....

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

From what I read the noack of those EP oils from most brands are lower, and they use base that resist oxidation better, and of course higher TBN. My guess is the EP oils can go past 15K by a bit, and the regular syn can go past 10K by quite a bit in reality (i.e. 12.5K) for the same test condition.

What is the real effect (anyone?) of the higher NOACK or is it really so low it does nothing? I often wonder with higher NOACK would that make it easier for the valves of the GDI engines to get more fouled up with deposits? I wonder if anyone here has experienced the dirty valves to the point of having to get the heads pulled to clean them? So far have not seen anyone mention this yet. Maybe a good thing.