Mobil 1 Contract With New Hampshire

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Interesting they would provide a 15k warranty for state owned vehicles but not for us

That, lowest price and grease applied in the right place is what it takes to get big contracts.
It has nothing to do with quality or performance.
 
There was a thread here on BITOG about refuge collection trucks and the mechanics who were given a rough time because they changed the oil too often according to the people who watched the pennies (who wanted them to do an even higher millage OCI than they were). However when the engines failed early in the millage life it was found that the engine manufacturer recommended paying attention to both the hours and the miles, and due to the common low speed driving the vehicles were accumulating high hours and low miles, so much that according to the actual hours, if the mechanics has known the hours, and been changing oil per the manufacturers recommendations they would have been changing oil three times as often as they were.

It turned out that the truck manufacturer failed to include all of the information regarding oil changes as per the engine manufacturers recommendations. Some vehicles should have an engine hours meter (hobs) in addition to miles, so oil life according to both can be looked at. A local police car that is left running while the officer is out of the car comes to mind as one vehicle that this would apply to.

It seams to me that among the vehicles maintained under this contract there will be several vehicles having engine damage due to excessive running hours not being taken into account.

Weather the loss of engine life cost exceeds the savings due to extended oil changes with a fleet of vehicles this large is any ones guess. I for one would not want to be purchasing a used vehicle from this fleet.
 
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So the manufacturers oil life monitor that looks at hours, miles, and probably other variables, and is built into each vehicle, so as to monitor each vehicle, is something that the mechanics should be ignoring according to this contract?
 
As for the engines you may believe that will be damaged by too long OCIs, XM is agreeing to the 15K warranty. I wouldn't be concerned about it.
 
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
So the manufacturers oil life monitor that looks at hours, miles, and probably other variables, and is built into each vehicle, so as to monitor each vehicle, is something that the mechanics should be ignoring according to this contract?


Apparently so. Again XM is assuming the risk.
 
Almost seems like they are throwing a big guarantee on to extend the whole longer oci for your money thing to make their contract deal look more appealing.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
So the manufacturers oil life monitor that looks at hours, miles, and probably other variables, and is built into each vehicle, so as to monitor each vehicle, is something that the mechanics should be ignoring according to this contract?


Apparently so. Again XM is assuming the risk.

Would think the OLM allows XOM to hide behind a "Manufacturer warranty" claim which never approaches 15k, and negates liability under a 15k or 0% OLM whichever comes first policy. Exceed 0% OLM to 11k, warranty void. Maybe they r unfamiliar with OLM, because that would be impossible to prove, OLM can be more or less miles based on conditions during that OCI (supposedly)

On the other hand..with large contracts and XOM's wealth, I doubt they would put up much of a fight for a rebuilt or new engine or two.
 
Maybe who is unfamiliar with OLM technology? XOM? That's like saying Michelin is unfamiliar with rubber.

Think about how many manufacturers XOM has worked with side-by-side in regards to oil tech and testing, including GM, Mercedes..etc, all of which rely heavily and have invested heavily in OLM technology.
 
I doubt all the employees of XOM know OLM, same goes for michelin. Larger the company, the less they know. Take the government for example..they..they..nah, not goin' there...

What I meant was whoever negotiated the contract. Likely a numbers guy. Salesman. Doesn't care, maybe even know about OLM other than the letters.
 
I think New Hampshire got good deal from the contract. The cost of most grades are about $5/qt and warrantied OCI of 15k miles or 1 year could not be beat.

Especially the lube provider is the largest oil company in the world, XOM has money to pay for engines damaged related to extend OCI.
 
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I doubt all the employees of XOM know OLM, same goes for michelin. Larger the company, the less they know. Take the government for example..they..they..nah, not goin' there...

What I meant was whoever negotiated the contract. Likely a numbers guy. Salesman. Doesn't care, maybe even know about OLM other than the letters.


I think the contract, even if quoted by a salesman who was clueless, would still have been reviewed by somebody in the know.

Based on how far the modern OLM's do appear to allow even a regular conventional oil to run these days, it would indicate that XOM is no fool in setting their target of 15K/1 year as it may only be a bit longer than what the OLM would have dictated anyway in many cases.

I think what happens with these fleets is that they don't want variable OCI's. IE, I don't think they'd adhere to an OLM regardless. They probably had set a very conservative OCI interval for the entire fleet. And of course we know short OCI's aren't going to violate any warranties. XOM has come in and basically proposed a potential tripling of the OCI and warrantying their product for that duration of use.

It is likely a smart move really. They get positive publicity for their product, and any failure that is attempted to be tied to a lubricant issue would still have to be proven that this was indeed the case, and with XOM's legal might as well as close relationship with many of the manufacturers anyway.... The risk doesn't seem high here.
 
Sooo XOM is just blindly recommending drain intervals and what products to use, even though this particular file states that extensive oil analysis was done using state of the art equipment? Oooook.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Sooo XOM is just blindly recommending drain intervals and what products to use, even though this particular file states that extensive oil analysis was done using state of the art equipment? Oooook.


Exactly. XOM is no fool. They've done their homework here and come up with an interval that the product can handle and will give them good publicity in the process.
 
Also I can tell you XM has tested their Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy oils to very long OCIs(north of 20K) for 100s of Ks.
 
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