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Mobil 1 base oil???
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Then why read it and post?
If you like it and are willing to pay for it, then go for it. But there are many UOA's in the UOA thread where people have shown results superior to M1 in similar applications. If you don't believe me, ask Bill in Utah.
But this thread has gotten off track, as usual when M1 comes up. The question was about their base oil, and there is still a lot of evidence to suggest a change. Whether or not people like it or want to use it is a separate issue.
Why do you say that M1 is not as good as it used to be? I still run long oci w/ M1 and haven't observed anything to support that statement. (I'm not trying to start another flaming battle, I'm asking a serious question here...)
According to this article, I might actually be better off w/ G3 base stock v. G4:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/arti...%20-%20Part%203
Can some of you oil experts tell me if that article is on target or if not, why not?
I appreciate the whole 'value' perspective w/ regard to M1, but now that Wally World sells M1 at under $20 for 5 qts, I don't know that value is a valid reason to dislike M1. I also appreciate the whole discussion around 'tell us what' s in there' but there are lots of products that have proprietary ingredient lists that suppliers tweak all the time w/o (remember 'new' Coke?) and if the end product is not as good, they get throttled in the marketplace, but if the end product doesn't act differently to the consumer, why should I really care what's exactly in it?
I'm trying to separate the hype and emotion from the technical information - please be kind...
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I emailed Mobil awhile back and they told me M1 is a 100% group 4 base oil. But that`s not why I use it. I use it because it performs the best out of all the oils I`ve ever tried.
Thats interesting..no one else has gotten these words last time I checked. Could you share the exact text of the message?
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Someone mentioned earlier that Mobil 1 had changed to a group 3 base stock so I e-mailed them concerning that and here's the answer I got.
Thank you for your inquiry,
Question -- Is Mobil 1 a fully synthetic oil?
Answer -- Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of
today's
specifications (and our customers' expectations) Mobil 1 uses
high-performance synthetic fluids, including polyalphaolefins
(PAO),
along
with a proprietary system of additives. In fact, each Mobil 1
viscosity
grade uses a specific combination of synthetic fluids and
selected
additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its unique
requirement.
Mobil1 motor oils utilize the group IV basestock.
That`s a copy and paste from TT.NET I must`ve deleted the emails from Mobil (the only one I still have is one concerning GL4 gear oils).
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Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at
1-800-ASK-MOBIL
-Matt Jacob
Thank you for your inquiry,
Question -- Is Mobil 1 a fully synthetic oil?
Answer -- Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of
today's
specifications (and our customers' expectations) Mobil 1 uses
high-performance synthetic fluids, including polyalphaolefins
(PAO),
along
with a proprietary system of additives. In fact, each Mobil 1
viscosity
grade uses a specific combination of synthetic fluids and
selected
additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its unique
requirement.
Mobil1 motor oils utilize the group IV basestock.
That`s a copy and paste from TT.NET I must`ve deleted the emails from Mobil (the only one I still have is one concerning GL4 gear oils).
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Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at
1-800-ASK-MOBIL
-Matt Jacob
I used M1 0w40 in my car for a logged 13,000 Miles (two 5k OCI, and one 3k OCI) and got fairly decent results based on UOAs (first ever done on my car). IIRC the 0w40 still uses GRP IV basestocks correct? I found nothing wrong with using the oil, but now that I had a good baseline for it, good reason to see if Mr GC does any better
Then More or less if I get better results, I'd say those would be good grounds for a little bashing. Till then, I'd rock M1 in any of my cars, including my DANGER RANGER (winter truck )
Then More or less if I get better results, I'd say those would be good grounds for a little bashing. Till then, I'd rock M1 in any of my cars, including my DANGER RANGER (winter truck )
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That tells me I'll keep buying my MaxLife.
I feel kinda sick responding to the 11,587th post on "Is mobil1 still synth?" but really I am compelled to reply to the "it's none of our business" crowd.
Excuse me?
Sure Mobil1 is still a good oil but their record of attacking other good oils that contain Group III (North American Castrol Syntec in most grades) creates an enormous loss of credibility. For 10 years Mobil has been telling us that it's products are better because they are pure synthetic and litigating against companies that sell Group III blends as Synthetic. And now they refuse to say if their Synthetic oils contain Group III?
And as to the subject of "why should they tell us?" No one is asking for the exact formula and industrial process for manufacturing. Just asking a general yes/no question about a significant potential component.
I am going to the paint store later today to buy some paint for my porch. If I asked "Is this an oil based paint?" and they replied "We will not tell you. It doesn't matter. It is enough to say that it is a superior quality paint" this would be ridiculous. I believe (for good reason) that my application requires an oil based paint. I don't care if it is the best latex paint in the world. I am painting wood outdoors that is already painted with oil based paint. How would anyone expect my business with this response?
Similarly I will buy ethanol laced gas for some but not all of my cars, due to age and the materials used in fuel related compnents. So I expect to be told if it has ethanol.
Give the consumer enough information to make the decision. That is not giving up proprietary secrets. It is good business.
Besides, apart from the arrogance of telling me that you can read my mind on the requirments of my application, the Group III answer may actually be a good thing. I actually intentionally bought synthetic oil in a grade made with Group III when I was doing an Auto-RX rinse in a Turbo that I really did not feel good running commodity Dino in.
Excuse me?
Sure Mobil1 is still a good oil but their record of attacking other good oils that contain Group III (North American Castrol Syntec in most grades) creates an enormous loss of credibility. For 10 years Mobil has been telling us that it's products are better because they are pure synthetic and litigating against companies that sell Group III blends as Synthetic. And now they refuse to say if their Synthetic oils contain Group III?
And as to the subject of "why should they tell us?" No one is asking for the exact formula and industrial process for manufacturing. Just asking a general yes/no question about a significant potential component.
I am going to the paint store later today to buy some paint for my porch. If I asked "Is this an oil based paint?" and they replied "We will not tell you. It doesn't matter. It is enough to say that it is a superior quality paint" this would be ridiculous. I believe (for good reason) that my application requires an oil based paint. I don't care if it is the best latex paint in the world. I am painting wood outdoors that is already painted with oil based paint. How would anyone expect my business with this response?
Similarly I will buy ethanol laced gas for some but not all of my cars, due to age and the materials used in fuel related compnents. So I expect to be told if it has ethanol.
Give the consumer enough information to make the decision. That is not giving up proprietary secrets. It is good business.
Besides, apart from the arrogance of telling me that you can read my mind on the requirments of my application, the Group III answer may actually be a good thing. I actually intentionally bought synthetic oil in a grade made with Group III when I was doing an Auto-RX rinse in a Turbo that I really did not feel good running commodity Dino in.
That and all the other nonsense said tells me nothing because I consider the source.
There are Groups 4, 5, and maybe some Group 3 in some M1 grades. Each product is different. They ALL use some amount of one or more types of Group 4, including the Supersyn oils and Delvac 1 / M1 5W-40 TDT. This tells us next to nothing about the performance of the products.
There are Groups 4, 5, and maybe some Group 3 in some M1 grades. Each product is different. They ALL use some amount of one or more types of Group 4, including the Supersyn oils and Delvac 1 / M1 5W-40 TDT. This tells us next to nothing about the performance of the products.
+1 JAG
peterr, do I hear an echo? You said exactly the same thing I've been saying for a year now. In fact, do a search and find my "steak" analogy I wrote several months ago.
Big ditto!
Big ditto!
It's a good article by Chevron employees. The data in the charts stands on its own. Keep in mind that not all Group 3 is the same quality.
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"Including" and "Utilize" could translate into as little as 1% PAO.
There is absolutely nothing listed in the email quote above that states M1 is a 100% group 4 base oil.
Thanks, JAG, I appreciate that insight. I realize that not all G3 base oils would be of the 'modern' current technology quality, but would I be at risk in assuming that the stuff Mobil is likely putting into M1 is the current technology quality?
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