Mobil 1 and EP

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they can make ligitimate points on showing a $30 oil test doesnt show more then 1/4 of what really going on


...so? Anyone will state that UOA is much better at telling you if the oil is suitable for use. That's all that one wants to prove in that situation. The metals can be off the scale or totally flat lined.

I would tend to say that in this case UOA is uniquely qualified to state the consumer's case in such litigation.

You're also correct in that a lawyer, in representing the client's best interests, can probably manage to effectively argue (I love this: XS650) that fleas are there to benefit the dog.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: tig1
M1 5-30EP does meet 4718



It is nowhere on the bottle label. Even the M1 website doesn't mention it.

EP:

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Extended_Performance_5W-30.aspx


Reg M1:


http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_5W-30.aspx


You are correct. If you would have finished quoting me completly, you would have noticed I said Mobil tech said EP will meet 4718 but they don't target the Vette crowd. I was told they don't certify EP for 4718 because EP is for the long OCI driver, not Vette drivers.



I know what you said and understand your point.

I just don't trust any customer service "tech" to say that the oil meets a standard that they don't advertise. If it does meet the standard than that leads me to believe that the oil was tested - than why not label it. They can afford the cost.
 
Originally Posted By: StrateLOSS
...Noone needs an extended oil drain...

I do. And I realize I am in minority. 2000 miles per week is a slow time for me. I run it 20k miles per OCI&filter and retire my vehicles at 500k even if they are fine by then. No UOAs: noise to signal ratio is too high. Add-on oil sure helps. Downtime is an issue here. Time in general of higher value than money, and this way is more economical for me on both accounts. I also use their 'membership' and every rebate I can find and stock up. And I am not a brand fanatic, this protocol just works for me.
 
Originally Posted By: Shuttler
Originally Posted By: StrateLOSS
...Noone needs an extended oil drain...

I do. And I realize I am in minority. 2000 miles per week is a slow time for me. I run it 20k miles per OCI&filter and retire my vehicles at 500k even if they are fine by then. No UOAs: noise to signal ratio is too high. Add-on oil sure helps. Downtime is an issue here. Time in general of higher value than money, and this way is more economical for me on both accounts. I also use their 'membership' and every rebate I can find and stock up. And I am not a brand fanatic, this protocol just works for me.


What kind of oil, in what kind of engine?
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Then I wouldn't use their oil. Try PP or Valv.


I will continue to use regular Mobil 1 as I have for nearly 33 years, but have used PP on occasion with equal results.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: tig1
Then I wouldn't use their oil. Try PP or Valv.


I will continue to use regular Mobil 1 as I have for nearly 33 years, but have used PP on occasion with equal results.


Wow! 33 years. You must have used the 5-20 varity as I did in 78. Been with M1 ever since.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: tig1
Then I wouldn't use their oil. Try PP or Valv.


I will continue to use regular Mobil 1 as I have for nearly 33 years, but have used PP on occasion with equal results.


Wow! 33 years. You must have used the 5-20 varity as I did in 78. Been with M1 ever since.


I think I first used the 5W/30, but it's been so long. I do remember the nice round bottles from the 80's that were so much nicer than what we have now. Good to hear from a fellow long time M1 user!

Cheers!
 
GMBoy, I am finally going to have to disagree with you on something. Todays Mobil 1 bottle is so much better than that old fat round plastic bottle with the skinny neck for both pouring and looks. IMHO
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
GMBoy, I am finally going to have to disagree with you on something. Todays Mobil 1 bottle is so much better than that old fat round plastic bottle with the skinny neck for both pouring and looks. IMHO



No. I agree with you. I've forgotten how awful it was to try to stack them in the shelves...I just looked at my stock of Redline and those bottles are round like the old M1 bottles.

You are right. The new one's are better.
 
Ah, back in harmony again.
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I like M1 oils and use many of them in my vehicles (5w40 TDT, 0w40, 15w50, 10w30). I also use pretty much any other syn that is on sale, just drained the edge out of my corolla and refilled with PP. In my mother's RAV4 I put in Napa 5w20 synthtic. One thing to be said for M1 EP is that they put the 15,000 mile interval right out there no dancing around with recommended OCIs. Ask pennzoil how long to run an OCI for with their ultra or ask Castrol about edge. Also M1 EP is the only readily available long drain capable oil readily available at any walmart, autozone, advanced etc.
 
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
I like M1 oils and use many of them in my vehicles (5w40 TDT, 0w40, 15w50, 10w30). I also use pretty much any other syn that is on sale, just drained the edge out of my corolla and refilled with PP. In my mother's RAV4 I put in Napa 5w20 synthtic. One thing to be said for M1 EP is that they put the 15,000 mile interval right out there no dancing around with recommended OCIs. Ask pennzoil how long to run an OCI for with their ultra or ask Castrol about edge. Also M1 EP is the only readily available long drain capable oil readily available at any walmart, autozone, advanced etc.


Not true.

Per Mobil's web site;

Upon what driving conditions are these performance claims based? Normal or severe driving conditions?


These claims relate to all typical consumer driving conditions, excluding those mentioned below. In other words, if you drive under normal conditions and use Mobil 1 Extended Performance in your vehicle, the oil is guaranteed to protect your engine for 15,000 miles. We also recommend that drivers consult their owner’s manual while their vehicle is under warranty, and follow the guidelines set forth there. Additionally, we recommend that if consumers drive routinely in severe conditions that they follow the oil change interval recommended in their owner's manual for severe conditions. We define "severe conditions" as:

1. racing or commercial applications;
2. frequent towing or hauling;
3. extremely dusty or dirty conditions; or
4. excessive idling.

or;

Be advised that if your vehicle is covered by a warranty, you should follow the vehicle's oil life sensor or the oil change interval recommended in your owner's manual to avoid a disruption in your vehicle warranty. Follow your owner's manual if the vehicle is operated in any of the following severe services: racing or commercial applications including taxis, limousines, etc.; frequent towing or hauling; extremely dusty or dirty conditions; or under excessive idling conditions.

And their "warranty" says;

This Limited Warranty excludes:

Mobil lubricants used in mechanically deficient equipment as a result of abnormal operation; negligence; abuse; damage from casualty, shipment or accident; or, equipment modification done without written authorization from the OEM.

A lot of outs in my book. Don't buy a oil for it's "warranty" and they do "dance" around the 15k OCI.

Bill
 
Bill is right. I wonder if anyone has ever succeeded in getting an oil company to honor their warranty??
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
A lot of outs in my book. Don't buy a oil for it's "warranty" and they do "dance" around the 15k OCI.
Bill


Surprise, surprise, Bill in Utah has something negative about a synthetic oil. I don't think there is a long drain oil out there that a manufacturer will say our oil is good for 15,000 miles period. M1 EP is a long drain oil you can buy for what $25 for five quarts at walmart and I think that is a good thing, even dare I say remarkable.

But yes I know we don't need synthetic oils just use whatever the cheapest API certified oil you can find in the proper grade and your engine will last longer than you will keep the car.
 
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
A lot of outs in my book. Don't buy a oil for it's "warranty" and they do "dance" around the 15k OCI.
Bill


Surprise, surprise, Bill in Utah has something negative about a synthetic oil. I don't think there is a long drain oil out there that a manufacturer will say our oil is good for 15,000 miles period. M1 EP is a long drain oil you can buy for what $25 for five quarts at walmart and I think that is a good thing, even dare I say remarkable.

But yes I know we don't need synthetic oils just use whatever the cheapest API certified oil you can find in the proper grade and your engine will last longer than you will keep the car.


Thank you for ignoring how Mobil is dancing around your statement that EP is a 15k oil period.

So your comment;

"One thing to be said for M1 EP is that they put the 15,000 mile interval right out there no dancing around with recommended OCIs."

Is not correct?

I guess you answered it above with;

"I don't think there is a long drain oil out there that a manufacturer will say our oil is good for 15,000 miles period."

Just wanting to keep it real for others who read this site....


And for the record, I have nothing negative about syn oil. If you NEED it then fine, but people thinking that its going to make your engine last longer than if you run conventional oil is what I have "issues" with.

Bill
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
And for the record, I have nothing negative about syn oil. If you NEED it then fine, but people thinking that its going to make your engine last longer than if you run conventional oil is what I have "issues" with.

Bill

Bill, I have to politely disagree with that statement. There are videos and documentation of synthetic oils running in tests for numerous miles that show next to no wear. The Mobil 1 1,000,000 KM video comes to mind as does Amsoil documentation. And I doubt you will see any professional drivers run dino.
 
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