MMO is no joke.

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Originally Posted By: AstroTurf
Well said GreenJP,
Tough to do for the Common Man.
So suffice it to say that...
No one who is trying MMO or TCW3 in their car can meet the testing parameters of a Lab Enviroment.
What then? Don't test?
Nay Nay... Test on, and let those who doubt the results eat cake.
It is working for me... TCW3 Amsoil HP Injector.
Thanks, Jim


LOL! Not to stir fire on this posting but hey, w/o proper repeatable, research-level testings and results to back things up RE: MMO, any postings here RE: positive results are, IMHO, just subjective observations, period.

With internet being the latest borderless frontier and everybody wants a say (most of them being nonsense anyways), I'm afraid the w/o proper research-grade testings (with proper controlled-environment to keep the variables at-bay), any observations posted by faithful followers of MMO, is, can only be considered as subjective opinions/biased observations.

In the world of science, it's what a research-level tests and unbiased results that makes things happen. Imagine a world with lots of hearsays, unsubstantiated observations and biased/opinionated results and you think the world can make progress?

(*me don't think so...coz I'm thinking snake oil from the subconscious level*)

My 2c's worth. I only believe in unbiased/research-grade results from recognisable scientific bodies.

Q.
 
OK Quest,
I'll bite. With your need for testing, are their any products discussed in this section of the forums which have been tested to that degree?
Can you name three?
Further, When your little league coach told you to choke up on the bat. It was an application of practical experience, not lab testing.
The lab is fine, but not always possible.
Jim
 
Well AstroT., that's why you don't see me recommending anything outright RE: oil additives on this board (and toot the horns about it)...

RE: tests, how about motor oil lubricant ASTM specifications? For example:

ASTM D4683 (high temp/shear test)
ASTM D5800 for NOACK volatility tests, etc.

.....

And the list goes on and on...SAE got some tests also.

Most motor oil additives are based on limited to no research provided to prove that they work (if so, they would have rightfully listed on the back of their containers, period). So, their objective observable effectiveness is, typically in-question.

now, back to you: find some proof that MMO pass some sort of tests? and reference(es)?

Q.
 
Hey Q,
The Lab Test reference was aimed towards products found in this Topics Sub-Section.
I can't think of three that could be rubbed together.
Now that doesn't mean that they don't work, It just means that the test data is not revealed by the Manufacturer.
And in closing... I don't use MMO, Nor do I know of any revealed lab tests.
Jim

Originally Posted By: Quest

RE: tests, how about motor oil lubricant ASTM specifications? For example:

ASTM D4683 (high temp/shear test)
ASTM D5800 for NOACK volatility tests, etc.

.....

And the list goes on and on...SAE got some tests also.

Most motor oil additives are based on limited to no research provided to prove that they work (if so, they would have rightfully listed on the back of their containers, period). So, their objective observable effectiveness is, typically in-question.

now, back to you: find some proof that MMO pass some sort of tests? and reference(es)?

Q.
 
i think mmo did NOT improve my mpg. what it DID do is make the engine start much easyer. i think its sealing the rings. i all so use it on radio control truck in the nitro engine as a after run oil. after run oil is used in nitro engines to keep rust out, the methanol, in nitro fuel, attracts moisture.
 
As to all the discussion about MMO: I had a '78 Buick Regal for 23 years and used MMO in the gas religiously. After 23 years, it still had the intact original exhaust system and the engine burned very little oil! I think it was due to the continual slight oil vapor through the exhaust. I would think that after some 95 years of production, if it was snake oil someone would have found out by now! Seems like too many people are just overthinking it. If you like it, use it. If you don't like it, don't. It's really that simple.
 
Originally Posted By: jamesintexas
As to all the discussion about MMO: I had a '78 Buick Regal for 23 years and used MMO in the gas religiously. After 23 years, it still had the intact original exhaust system and the engine burned very little oil!


I had a 76 Ford Elite that had the original intact exhaust system, and when I sold it after 15 years it didn't burn any noticable oil. I never added MMO or other additives to it.

Imagine all that money I saved to achieve the same basic results that you did.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: jamesintexas
As to all the discussion about MMO: I had a '78 Buick Regal for 23 years and used MMO in the gas religiously. After 23 years, it still had the intact original exhaust system and the engine burned very little oil!


I had a 76 Ford Elite that had the original intact exhaust system, and when I sold it after 15 years it didn't burn any noticable oil. I never added MMO or other additives to it.

Imagine all that money I saved to achieve the same basic results that you did.


Get them good and hot boil the moisture out and an OEM exhaust system will last a very long time. Drive 5 minute trips like my son did and they don't last as long. Put in a Midas exhaust system short hop the car and you can change them out every 2 years.
 
I just bought a few project cars and added MMO to the gas with the intent of cleaning and/or lubricating any internals I couldn't see or change.

I wont be driving any of them too far. Maybe 100 to 500 miles each. I wonder if I'd see any benefit? Gas mileage is not a concern.
 
After all the military used it in their planes back in WWII. Surely the govt wouldnt waste money on....oh, forget it.

I like MMO, always have. Scientific proof.....none.
 
I have done 2 things that together have kept my freebie junk OPE running reliably. Easier starts, way less running issues and way less post storage troubles. I dose every fill up with a cap full of MMO. I also run the carbs dry after every use. This spring, I used 5 different OPEs that had not been used since the fall. All started easily. Scientific? Maybe not, but, in the past, reviving a mower would automatically require a carb tear down and cleaning. A guy I met on a Wagoneer forum and whose advice I respect, told us about the wonders of outboard oil in gas. But I prefer MMO 'cuz it smells better.
 
Hello, I'm performing a completely unscientific "4oz./10 gal. MMO in the gas" test now. When I'm through with my 2 quart bottles of MMO I'll post the running monthly mileage tallies here. I expect no clear evidence of improvement because the monthly swing in mpg has always been rather broad. I have noticed two things. 1)The MMO label art is cool and I think it would make a great tee shirt. 2)I feel like a fool when I ask the gas jockey to wait so I can add the red juice. You guys are the best. If you have kids, try not to drive them crazy. Kira
 
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Well said Jim, there is more to MMO than possible gains in mpg. I remember the used Ford I bought with the fuel gauge not working, in fact the PO told me it hadn't worked for years, a few tanks of gas treated with MMO and the gauge started working again. ...

I'm on my 2nd tank with the MMO/SI-1 mix and I too have noticed a change in the behavior of my gas gauge needle's operation, starting with the current tank. Before, the needle would seem to pause and then come back up to a slightly lower level after a shutdown/restart. Now, the needle seems to be moving in a smoother, more continuous way. I'm guessing that the MMO is lubricating the fuel gauge sender's linkage/wiper mechanism.
 
Is there an explanation somewhere in these 7 pages for why MMO would cause a better reading on the fuel level resistor? Off the top of my head I can't think of why it would make a difference.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Is there an explanation somewhere in these 7 pages for why MMO would cause a better reading on the fuel level resistor? Off the top of my head I can't think of why it would make a difference.


Its mentioned in TSB's and on the www. Sometimes it has to do with sulfur from cheap gas, and MMO or Techron can sometimes clean it up.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1932425
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Is there an explanation somewhere in these 7 pages for why MMO would cause a better reading on the fuel level resistor? Off the top of my head I can't think of why it would make a difference.


pssst - the answer is in the second M
 
I'm also a MMO believer, I run it in my wifes car, my truck and all my small engines after a lawnmower shop suggested it to a customer in line in front of me, I asked him about it then.
To even strengthen my belief in it I was in a engine shop today and noticed a case of it on a shelf and the owner said they used it in all their new rebuilt engines, he said it was a great product. I've had good results with it and I've had two mechanics talk it up, that is good enough for me.
My hemi doesn't seem to have that normal "tick" that hemi's normally have since I started using it, but I did change to Amsoil about the same time.

I have 147,000 miles using it with no repairs and I would recommend MMO for a fuel additive to anyone
 
I'd like to hear as to which year vehicles and engines that people are using MMO in? What is your likes with MMO in new(er) engines? I haven't noticed anything myself!

I can't say that I have ever noticed any benefits of using MMO in anything EFI'd but, I love it in Carb'd engines such as old cars/trucks and small equipment.

My wifes '01 Lexus RX-300 throws a CEL every time I have used MMO(proper dosage)so, I don't use it in her car but, my '04 Altima 2.5S and daughters '06 Mazda3 are both OK!
I still don't notice any benefits or differences in smoothness/quietness or better MPG in any of the three vehicles engines. NOTHING!...Maybe even worst MPG.

My lawn/snow equipment and my '80 Firebird Formula V8-4bbl all love it! As have many of our older vehicles that I have used it in, way back when! It's as though these carb'd engines needed the extra help.
 
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