MMO is no joke.

[chubbs1]

Alright I know we hear a lot about the success stories of MMO on here and I use it here and there in the tank to clean but I just started using it on a regular basis to see if I could get an MPG jump. My Altima is being driven as a "chore" car and has really seen a mileage drop, as before it was my work car. I have seen a 3 mpg increase in the mpg category but since I do not use it for a set routine it is hard to give a good analysis. Sooo, I am adding 6oz. to each tank in my new Sonata which has a very solid consistent driving pattern I fill up at Sunoco 25.13 was what I was getting the last 5 fill-ups before the MMO. 2 tanks with MMO, same gas, same route 27.2mpg. 2 mpg's better than without. I just felt like sharing that because I read about all the expensive products that promise miracles and the good ol' MMO has done great and made a me a satisfied customer.

 

[ltslimjim]

^I don't know what it is but this summer seems to have pretty much everyone around me lamenting how lame gas mileage is currently. Outside of the obvious price complaints, that is. I can't seem to get good mileage with the VX currently(partly because of tire issues, having to run lower PSI than I want etc) and the AC usages cuts HP by 12.5%.

If MMO works for you, go for it. You could always try to go back to non-MMO fills and see if things change again.

 

[demarpaint]

Nice report Chubbs! But where's the scientific proof, the test protocol, the control, standard deviation, LOL. You must have cheated, drove downhill with a tail wind, drove differently, shut the engine off and coasted, didn't properly meter the fuel at the gas station, you had to cheat. I figured I'd post that before someone beats me to it. I think I covered most of it, I'm sure there's more! LOLOLOL I'm just having fun.

The stuff works, I've been saying it for years. Glad it worked for you too!

 

[Turk]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Nice report Chubbs! But where's the scientific proof, the test protocol, the control, standard deviation, LOL.

Yea, I wanna see the Statistical Analysis, mainly the t-test that shows a statistically significant differences between populations according to a p-value < 0.05

Congrats on the MMO success story!

 

[Donald]

Why not try Amsoil's fuel product. Guaranteed or your money back. but MMO? Come on!

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: tpitcher
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Nice report Chubbs! But where's the scientific proof, the test protocol, the control, standard deviation, LOL.

Yea, I wanna see the Statistical Analysis, mainly the t-test that shows a statistically significant differences between populations according to a p-value < 0.05

Congrats on the MMO success story!


The implication here seems to be that without all that high-falutin' sciencey statistical stuff, this is still a success story, but not as good. Surely you both know better.

 

[Bluestream]

Sorry, but there is no way mmo is going to boost your mileage 8%. You likely drove different because you "wanted" it to work. This is know as "test bias"

Why do you ask Mythbusters to do a sceintific test for us?

 

[cancov]

Y'all remember too much from Statistics 101.

Another sucessful experience with MMO. I need to pick up a gallon and begin my own if not simply for the cleansing properties.

 

[simple_gifts]

Quote:

Y'all remember too much from Statistics 101.


An the others too little from Science 101. 8)

Others report mpg loss.

Without knowing the actual mpg and fluctuation of that number all things held constant, you cannot assign meaning or attribute fluctuation to any given factor; it is that simple.

Continue to use for other benefits however.

 

[glum]

All sarcasm aside, I've gotten anywhere from ~20 MPG to ~32 MPG from my 2.4L Sonata, depending on what kind of driving I do, phase of the moon, etc. Sometimes it varies by several MPG even though I would have sworn my driving didn't change one iota. But far be it from me to moo at a sacred cow.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Y'all remember too much from Statistics 101.


An the others too little from Science 101. 8)

Others report mpg loss.

Without knowing the actual mpg and fluctuation of that number all things held constant, you cannot assign meaning or attribute fluctuation to any given factor; it is that simple.

Well said.

 

[Jimmy9190]

Glad to know it works for you Chubbs. Just remember the key with MMO is to use it consistently in every tank. Otherwise you may see different MPG figures. MMO is not primarily a gas mileage improver, it is a good upper cylinder cleaner and fuel system cleaner/lubricant and it can help increase compression. All of those benefits combine and a very good side effect from that is increased MPG and engine power. MMO can also help offset the negative effects of ethanol, and that can help increase MPG. Not everybody sees the same benefits from MMO, for some it is better than others, some see no benefit at all. I am glad to hear about your positive experience with MMO.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190
Glad to know it works for you Chubbs. Just remember the key with MMO is to use it consistently in every tank. Otherwise you may see different MPG figures. MMO is not primarily a gas mileage improver, it is a good upper cylinder cleaner and fuel system cleaner/lubricant and it can help increase compression. All of those benefits combine and a very good side effect from that is increased MPG and engine power. MMO can also help offset the negative effects of ethanol, and that can help increase MPG. Not everybody sees the same benefits from MMO, for some it is better than others, some see no benefit at all. I am glad to hear about your positive experience with MMO.


Well said Jim, there is more to MMO than possible gains in mpg. I remember the used Ford I bought with the fuel gauge not working, in fact the PO told me it hadn't worked for years, a few tanks of gas treated with MMO and the gauge started working again. Freeing stuck lifters, cleaning varnish, sludge, increasing compression in my brother's boat, smoother idle in older engines, UCL benefits, fogging oil, I'm sold.

Chubbs, I'm sure you knew you were going to open a can of worms with this thread.

 

[JavierG]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Jimmy9190
Glad to know it works for you Chubbs. Just remember the key with MMO is to use it consistently in every tank. Otherwise you may see different MPG figures. MMO is not primarily a gas mileage improver, it is a good upper cylinder cleaner and fuel system cleaner/lubricant and it can help increase compression. All of those benefits combine and a very good side effect from that is increased MPG and engine power. MMO can also help offset the negative effects of ethanol, and that can help increase MPG. Not everybody sees the same benefits from MMO, for some it is better than others, some see no benefit at all. I am glad to hear about your positive experience with MMO.


Well said Jim, there is more to MMO than possible gains in mpg. I remember the used Ford I bought with the fuel gauge not working, in fact the PO told me it hadn't worked for years, a few tanks of gas treated with MMO and the gauge started working again. Freeing stuck lifters, cleaning varnish, sludge, increasing compression in my brother's boat, smoother idle in older engines, UCL benefits, fogging oil, I'm sold.

Chubbs, I'm sure you knew you were going to open a can of worms with this thread.

I just started using it in my tank of my '95 Acura. Not so much for a hoped increase in mpg's but more so for all of the other reported benefits. Also used it in my last oil change (substituted a quart of oil for a quart of MMO). Plan to change the oil after 1500 miles.

 

[chubbs1]

Thanks guy's, I liked the jabs and I know it is far from scientific. I just felt like sharing the experience. Thanks for all of the feedback!

 

[d00df00d]

I hope I'm not harping on this too much, but I think "far from scientific" is a bit mild.

We haven't looked at the variation in the numbers, so we can't tell that the MPG jump wasn't a fluke. Even if we assume it wasn't a fluke, the fact that we don't know all the conditions of the test means we have no way to know whether MMO would have caused it. Lack of information about conditions also means we have no way to repeat the experiment to verify the numbers.

What are we left with?

 

[demarpaint]

Funny how there are other threads about other products increasing mpg, yet they don't get the same criticism as MMO does when increases in mpg are claimed. Is it because MMO is under $5 a qt? After all how can something that cheap do anything? Maybe if it cost more people would view it differently.

My reasons for using it were never for mpg gains.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts


Others report mpg loss.



IME, overdosing causes MPG loss. Each application may have a different overdose rate.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Funny how there are other threads about other products increasing mpg, yet they don't get the same criticism as MMO does when increases in mpg are claimed. Is it because MMO is under $5 a qt? After all how can something that cheap do anything? Maybe if it cost more people would view it differently.

My reasons for using it were never for mpg gains.

It's not about the MPG claims, or the fact that it's MMO. It's about what kinds of claims are being made. I've fought this fight in other threads. Don't tell me you've forgotten about the Mustang cams already.

But hey, point me to another such thread and I'll be happy to copy and paste.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Funny how there are other threads about other products increasing mpg, yet they don't get the same criticism as MMO does when increases in mpg are claimed. Is it because MMO is under $5 a qt? After all how can something that cheap do anything? Maybe if it cost more people would view it differently.

My reasons for using it were never for mpg gains.

It's not about the MPG claims, or the fact that it's MMO. It's about what kinds of claims are being made. I've fought this fight in other threads. Don't tell me you've forgotten about the Mustang cams already.

But hey, point me to another such thread and I'll be happy to copy and paste.


What does the Mustang Cam thread have to do with MMO? Was the guy using MMO? I remember some cordial discussion that we had, in fact you cleared some things up, but not about MMO.

But then again it was probably over a year ago and I might have forgotten.

As far as mpg gain claims with other products, its mentioned in the recent LAT thread in the oil additive section. I have no reason not to believe the OP in the LAT thread I think he saw gains in two vehicles. As far as my MMO claims, I have experience since the 1970's to back them up. People are free to believe whatever they like. I'm not one to log mpg much anymore, so I sometimes take the word of others on this site who I feel have no agenda, and as with everything in life taken with a grain of salt. I'm not driving eco boxes: Jeeps, E Series Vans, and Aerostars are not know for fuel ecomony. Seems there are a lot of people who have benefitted from MMO in some way, either cleaning up where other products failed, stopping lifter ticks, or improving the way their vehicles run. IMO that's a good thing. If people see mpg gains, its certainly nothing to complain about.