MMO - I'm a believer!

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Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Hope it works better than my SAE 30 ND experiment over 3 tanks. The first two tanks showed a 2-3 mpg improvement but then things went downhill from there with continued use. Treatment rate was a strong 1 oz/ gal or just under 1% or 100/1. I noticed no beneficial changes in low torque or fuel mileage at rates 1 Fuel/oil ratio. Maybe I just have to get my Overdose mindset corrected :)


You really scare me sometimes.


LOL
 
chad - What is naptha oil?
There is naptha, and there is oil. Naptha is lighter fluid and dry cleaning fluid.

Drew - Your percent increase would not be noticed as much with a normal American Barge that gets 20 MPG.
But even if you did not get a MPG increase, the lubricity and cleaning are known benefits.
 
Scary? It just top oil - but I dont think it has a place in advanced FI cars. So current oil and fuel standards are inadequate if you get a big performance gain adding 50 yo tecnology oil additive in MMO. That is scary! (But I will agree that PCMO oil could be better and I'm glad its on a "continuous improvement track).
 
85+ YO technology, but I'm not counting. :) All I care about is it still works, and works well.
 
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Scary? It just top oil - but I dont think it has a place in advanced FI cars. So current oil and fuel standards are inadequate if you get a big performance gain adding 50 yo tecnology oil additive in MMO. That is scary! (But I will agree that PCMO oil could be better and I'm glad its on a "continuous improvement track).


An ND30 is not meant to be burned in the combustion chamber. Just because it is non detergent doesn't mean it is additive free.
 
Crankcase oils ARE burnt in the engine given their application - so yes they ARE "meant" (or expected) to be burned in the CC. Most cars burn engine oil at 1/2oz per 30 miles (1Qt/2kmi), thru PCV and leave, which would be a treat rate for MMO in gas. So even GF4/SM additised oil being burnt at this rate would not be an engine killer. I do agree it would be BETTER to run a low flash point linear chain oil like a TCW3 but I dont know what in that stuff(yet). The ND oil I bought is non-additised by the manufacturer claim and MSDS. I will agree its hard to burn and it was just an short experiment in adding a stay in co-solvent to E10 fuels.
 
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
From reading this thread I'd say the success rate is very high with MMO.

My mpg gains were and as dramatic as the OP, but I can tell when I have it in the gas or oil. The engine just runs better IMO.

HTSS_TR if you should ever try it in the gas again, start with a slightly lower dose than they suggest. As you mentioned there is a slight, very slight chance you might have gotten some bad gas. Glad your experiences with it in the oil were positive.


You talked me into it. I'll try again with 4 oz per 20 gallons 1st tank, then 6 oz on 2nd tank and 8 oz on third tank. Since the car has a trip computer, I'll track 2-3 tanks without MMO and 2-3 tanks with MMO to compare.
 
Interesting post. I’ve been using MMO on and off for years along with other products (Red Line Si-1, Auto-Rx, Lube Control LC20/FP60). I find MMO giving the quickest response when used in the fuel system- an almost immediate smoothing of the engine.

I also add it to my crankcase about 500 miles before the oil change. The first time I tried this, the oil was A LOT more black when I did the regular oil change. Same thing with my Dad’s (RIP) Odyssey (he also did his own changes). He too noticed how much darker his oil came out.

I’d guess that the MMO has a capacity to suspend the dirt particles in the oil which allows them to flush out rather than stick to where ever they were prior to adding the MMO.

Great stuff that I will continue to use.
 
Hello all. Yes, MMO works for me too (gas and oil). I use it and did my father & grandfather - hard to argue with long-term success.

I notice the biggest difference in small engines. All of my vehicles/scooters/OPE/ basically anything with an engine gets MMO in the Gas an occasionally in the oil.

A full OCI with 8-oz. of MMO in my Metro definately made the oil come out much darker than normal. It seems to be getting better all the time.

Carry on and please report back with more results (good or bad).


Rob
 
I had a little incident once were I put the Hemi underwater and sucked water though the air cleaner, it started running on its own again, really blew alot of water, for about 30 minutes anyway, once I got back to cilvilivation, I refilled the tank and dumped in a whole qt of MMO and I think it ran great and even got better fuel milelage, I dont treat it with that much all the time, but even with that much of a overdose it had no ill effects, if it did I probably would have blamed the water.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Many of you have good results with MMO in the fuel system, I don't doubt that at all, but my personal experience with MMO is opposite, I did not post my experience before today because I don't want to get into a fight with anyone.

About 8-10 months ago, I poured 6oz MMO in '00 E430 22 gallon tank at near empty then pump the gas to mix it well, the engine immediately felt sluggish and MPG of that tank was about 8-10% less than previous tanks. I ran that tank down to near empty then filled up at the same gas station, the engine performance was back to normal at less than 2-3 miles from the gas station. Since then I did not try MMO again in the fuel system.

But I had good experience with MMO in engine, it seems to clean the not so dirty engine very well. I'll use MMO again in the engine again but not in fuel system, unless I want to experience it again to make sure that I did not get a bad gas tank at the same time I had MMO in it, chance for it to happen is very rare.


you may have dislodged some dirt in the tank and clogged up a fuel filter, hence your poor results.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
chad - What is naptha oil?
There is naptha, and there is oil. Naptha is lighter fluid and dry cleaning fluid.

Drew - Your percent increase would not be noticed as much with a normal American Barge that gets 20 MPG.
But even if you did not get a MPG increase, the lubricity and cleaning are known benefits.


It really is just fractioned light oil. I can not be sure if it is lighter fluid or other hydrocarbons so generically i just called it oil of naptha.I see a lot of products just list on their ingredient list- light naptha. It comes from oil hence naptha oil.

Naphtha normally refers to a number of different flammable liquid mixtures of hydrocarbons, i.e. a distillation product from petroleum or coal tar boiling in a certain range and containing certain hydrocarbons. It is a broad term covering the lightest and most volatile fraction of the liquid hydrocarbons in petroleum.

In petroleum engineering, full range naphtha is defined as the fraction of hydrocarbons in petroleum boiling between 30°C and 200°C[1] It consists of a complex mixture of hydrocarbon molecules generally having between 5 and 12 carbon atoms. It typically constitutes 15-30% of crude oil, by weight. Light naphtha is the fraction boiling between 30°C and 90°C and consists of molecules with 5-6 carbon atoms. Heavy naphtha boils between 90°C and 200°C and consists of molecules with 6-12 carbons.
 
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Most cars burn engine oil at 1/2oz per 30 miles (1Qt/2kmi)

Huh???? 1/2 oz/30 miles is the same as 1qt/1920 miles.

My Kia's sump only holds 3.5 qrts. Are you telling me that after 6K miles I have less than half a quart left in car???? Do you base your experience on a 20 year old Saturn with bad piston rings?

How do you get away with such outlandish claims?
 
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Crankcase oils ARE burnt in the engine given their application - so yes they ARE "meant" (or expected) to be burned in the CC. Most cars burn engine oil at 1/2oz per 30 miles (1Qt/2kmi), thru PCV and leave, which would be a treat rate for MMO in gas. So even GF4/SM additised oil being burnt at this rate would not be an engine killer. I do agree it would be BETTER to run a low flash point linear chain oil like a TCW3 but I dont know what in that stuff(yet). The ND oil I bought is non-additised by the manufacturer claim and MSDS. I will agree its hard to burn and it was just an short experiment in adding a stay in co-solvent to E10 fuels.


My moms car doesn't burn oil. Even after 6,000 miles it hasn't gone down a single bit on the dipstick. I figure less than 2oz consumed in that entire period.
 
My 100% stock '99 Chevy Metro 1.0 3-cyl. with 230,000 miles and 3-oz. per tank (10-gallons) of MMO in the gas netted me 54.5 mpg on my trip to St. Louis and back today.

Fantastic mileage, but then - it's a Metro.............

The MMO does help the mpg a little (for me anyway) and is added every fill-up as a cleaner/UCL.


Rob
 
In my motorcycle I have used various 98 octane super unleaded fuels. I find the engine runs noticeably smoother and more responsive with Mobil Synergy 8000. BP, Shell and Caltex fuels don't run as smooth.

When I made some enquiries I found that the same base fuel was used by the different oil companies as they have a sharing arrangement for their outputs in different states, but the additive package used to finish the fuel was proprietary and varied from oil company to oil company.

I haven't done a mpg analysis against the standard fuels but have been told that the high octane fuels do yield better figures.

The oil company techline told me the additive package performs many functions including, uuper cylinder lubrication and cleaning.

This information is for the Australian market.
 
Great thread. Im interested in MMO now. Would you prefer if I used a pint of it in the oil right before my next change or with it? I have a 2.0 L 87 camry. Also would this product work well with Techron fuel system cleaner? Would I mix both or use the MMO at certain intervals after using the Techron?
 
Originally Posted By: NLeo
Great thread. Im interested in MMO now. Would you prefer if I used a pint of it in the oil right before my next change or with it?


Here is what I would suggest: About 1000 miles before you change your oil add a pint of MMO to the oil. If your sump is 4.5 to 5 qts I wouldn't be concerned about being over filled by a pint. You can continue using MMO this way, or run a pint or qt for a full OCI. If I run MMO for a full OCI I usually do it during the winter, but I have run it all seasons as well. Just keep an eye on the oil level. If you have a small sump don't go more than 20% MMO.


Originally Posted By: NLeo
I have a 2.0 L 87 camry. Also would this product work well with Techron fuel system cleaner? Would I mix both or use the MMO at certain intervals after using the Techron?


You can use MMO and Techron together, but I wouldn't. I would use the Techron first to clean up the fuel system, then use MMO to keep the fuel system clean and as a UCL. Myself and many others use MMO in the gas at each fill up. Get the system clean first if you plan on doing this. MMO is more of a UCL than a strong fuel system cleaner.

HTH
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: NLeo
Great thread. Im interested in MMO now. Would you prefer if I used a pint of it in the oil right before my next change or with it?


Here is what I would suggest: About 1000 miles before you change your oil add a pint of MMO to the oil. If your sump is 4.5 to 5 qts I wouldn't be concerned about being over filled by a pint. You can continue using MMO this way, or run a pint or qt for a full OCI. If I run MMO for a full OCI I usually do it during the winter, but I have run it all seasons as well. Just keep an eye on the oil level. If you have a small sump don't go more than 20% MMO.


Originally Posted By: NLeo
I have a 2.0 L 87 camry. Also would this product work well with Techron fuel system cleaner? Would I mix both or use the MMO at certain intervals after using the Techron?


You can use MMO and Techron together, but I wouldn't. I would use the Techron first to clean up the fuel system, then use MMO to keep the fuel system clean and as a UCL. Myself and many others use MMO in the gas at each fill up. Get the system clean first if you plan on doing this. MMO is more of a UCL than a strong fuel system cleaner.

HTH


Thanks. Is there any advantages/disadvantages for using it either before an oil change or with it? Or is it just personal preference.
 
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