Milage or time fluid changes.

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Not really sure what to title this as.
But the question is, on a truck thats not driven much. Maybe only 1500-2000 miles a year but towing that entire time.
Whats better for the trans/t-case and diffs.
Great fluids changed at milage intervals regardless of time.
Like ams, redline or hpl’s.
Or ok/cheaper fluids changed every couples years regardless of miles. Like napa, Valvoline or mobil 1 fluids.
 
For example. I bought this truck 5 years ago. 2 days after buying it i replaced every single fluid in it. The entire drivetrain has mobil 1 in it. Like like stated its now been 5 years. And only maybe 7000 miles. Should i just be changing it anyways due to age?
Or should i be putting something like amsoil in and forget about it untill the next milage based interval is due.
 
At 7,000 miles and constantly towing IMO it’s time. I would go back with the Mobil 1 since it got you to this point with I assume no problems. I would only change the engine oil every 5,000 miles and leave the other fluids alone for now. IMO I see no need to change the other drive train fluids at only 7,000 miles, especially after filling with Mobil 1.
 
I have this dilemma with my low hour use farm tractors and implements at my workplace. I have to make a legitimate guess at the time interval and usually I am at maybe one half or even less on the hours recommendation. It varies, but usually I am between 4 and 6 years on my fluids (not engine oil). I'm not sure I would go longer even with fluid analysis. I do something similar with filters - extended time wise, but still sooner than hours recommendation. There are no hard and fast rules.

Can't argue with dnewton3 recommendation.
 
At 7,000 miles and constantly towing IMO it’s time. I would go back with the Mobil 1 since it got you to this point with I assume no problems. I would only change the engine oil every 5,000 miles and leave the other fluids alone for now. IMO I see no need to change the other drive train fluids at only 7,000 miles, especially after filling with Mobil 1.
The engine oil gets changed every year.
Only asking about transmission and down.
 
What kind of weight are you towing? Any water exposure to the units?
If you aren't crossing through water I would do 20-30k mile intervals, maybe closer to 20k depending on weight being towed. The Mobil fluids you are using should do just fine.
 
I always marvel that local humidity is never considered.

I have no actual data as a true study would require more time, money and nationwide samples than I care to pursue, but I'd lean more toward TIME in sticky climates. Here, skin lotion is a line item in our household budget. Dry = itchy!!
 
If it goes up on jacks annually id probably do the accessory fluids every third year
I have it on a lift twice a year. Once for annual inspection. Other for oil change. I do them 6 months from each other so its always getting a checkover.
 
What kind of weight are you towing? Any water exposure to the units?
If you aren't crossing through water I would do 20-30k mile intervals, maybe closer to 20k depending on weight being towed. The Mobil fluids you are using should do just fine.
Only about 7-9000lbs nothing heavy.
No water crossings. The cabin’s dirt lane and trailheads are the only off pavement it really does.
 
I think action is always the answer. Some of us have to battle the snow with winter tires on the front slipping and sliding with getting temporary stuck using transmission from reverse back to drive over and over again just trying to monouver across the roads sometimes. That heats up the transmission, coolant/engine, and engine oil really hot.
So I sometimes adjust my "scheduled" services a little early. As I did. I changed the oil and serviced the transmission mission fluid after fighting through that snow storm.
 
I think action is always the answer. Some of us have to battle the snow with winter tires on the front slipping and sliding with getting temporary stuck using transmission from reverse back to drive over and over again just trying to monouver across the roads sometimes. That heats up the transmission, coolant/engine, and engine oil really hot.
So I sometimes adjust my "scheduled" services a little early. As I did. I changed the oil and serviced the transmission mission fluid after fighting through that snow storm.
I have a jeep and subaru. I dont have to battle snow😂
 
IMO..... 5 years, under your service would be great.......for the tcase, transmission and gears.

Use over the shelf stuff, and you will be fine. Even dino gear oil if available.

The boutique would likely perform "better" but at much more cost. Not saying don't go the boutique route, just saying that in your case, I dont see the value.
 
I have a jeep and subaru. I dont have to battle snow😂
Yeah, kinda rough in the snow 6"-12" high. The Focus is a little tank in the snow. I run all year long A/T BG Goodrich Advantage on a 15" wheel. I rolled right through it all as part of my job is reporting snow conditions at each huge property. Good snow tires. Have the same tires on both cars
 
If somebody changes their transmission fluid and gear oil in the rear end, and transfer case oil every 20,000 miles would be a good interval.
 
Here is an exchange I had with Lake Speed and Blackstone Laboratories regarding time versus mileage as it relates to oil change intervals. I'm assuming these answers apply to all automotive lubricants. No one else needs to make the same assumptions though.

My question to Blackstone:

I have read several of your reports stating that the length of time oil sits in the engine has very little impact on its effectiveness and service life. Instead, miles driven (engine operating hours) seem to be the more important consideration.

Is this accurate, or have I misunderstood? If it is accurate, is there an article, blog post, video, or other resource you could refer me to that explains this in more detail?



Blackstone’s response:

Great question.

You are correct. In modern automotive engines, calendar time does not have a significant impact on wear metals found in oil analysis. This is largely due to modern emissions systems, which keep engines sealed and prevent moisture accumulation. In older engines (particularly those from the 1970s and earlier) with open breathers, atmospheric air could enter the engine, allowing humidity and condensation to cause internal corrosion.

We still observe corrosion related to calendar time in engines with open breathers—primarily aircraft engines—so time remains a factor in those applications. When corrosion occurs, it typically appears as elevated aluminum and iron in the analysis.

There are many examples of newer vehicles running oil for several years with little change in wear, which is why we do not place heavy emphasis on calendar time. That said, if the manufacturer specifies oil changes at certain time intervals, it is wise to follow those guidelines—particularly while the vehicle is under warranty. The manufacturer would be responsible for any warranty claims, so staying within their parameters is advisable.

Based on our data and experience, however, using mileage alone as a measure for oil changes generally does not present an issue.

We checked to see if we have published any articles or media on this topic, but it appears we have not. That is not because we are unwilling to share this information—we provide the same explanation to anyone who asks—but likely because of the warranty considerations mentioned above. We would not want to recommend relying solely on mileage, only to have a warranty claim denied because the oil remained in service longer than the manufacturer’s time-based recommendation.

Once warranty coverage is no longer a concern, you likely have flexibility to experiment. Assuming the engine is mechanically sound and the oil is not contaminated, I would be surprised if leaving oil in service for longer than a year caused an issue.

Thank you for contacting Blackstone.



Lake Speed’s response:

Thanks for the email and the question. I concur with Blackstone’s opinion on this matter.

Thanks,
Lake Speed Jr.
STLE Certified Lubrication Specialist & Oil Analyst
SPEEDiagnostix

 
Here is an exchange I had with Lake Speed and Blackstone Laboratories regarding time versus mileage as it relates to oil change intervals. I'm assuming these answers apply to all automotive lubricants. No one else needs to make the same assumptions though.

My question to Blackstone:

I have read several of your reports stating that the length of time oil sits in the engine has very little impact on its effectiveness and service life. Instead, miles driven (engine operating hours) seem to be the more important consideration.

Is this accurate, or have I misunderstood? If it is accurate, is there an article, blog post, video, or other resource you could refer me to that explains this in more detail?



Blackstone’s response:

Great question.

You are correct. In modern automotive engines, calendar time does not have a significant impact on wear metals found in oil analysis. This is largely due to modern emissions systems, which keep engines sealed and prevent moisture accumulation. In older engines (particularly those from the 1970s and earlier) with open breathers, atmospheric air could enter the engine, allowing humidity and condensation to cause internal corrosion.

We still observe corrosion related to calendar time in engines with open breathers—primarily aircraft engines—so time remains a factor in those applications. When corrosion occurs, it typically appears as elevated aluminum and iron in the analysis.

There are many examples of newer vehicles running oil for several years with little change in wear, which is why we do not place heavy emphasis on calendar time. That said, if the manufacturer specifies oil changes at certain time intervals, it is wise to follow those guidelines—particularly while the vehicle is under warranty. The manufacturer would be responsible for any warranty claims, so staying within their parameters is advisable.

Based on our data and experience, however, using mileage alone as a measure for oil changes generally does not present an issue.

We checked to see if we have published any articles or media on this topic, but it appears we have not. That is not because we are unwilling to share this information—we provide the same explanation to anyone who asks—but likely because of the warranty considerations mentioned above. We would not want to recommend relying solely on mileage, only to have a warranty claim denied because the oil remained in service longer than the manufacturer’s time-based recommendation.

Once warranty coverage is no longer a concern, you likely have flexibility to experiment. Assuming the engine is mechanically sound and the oil is not contaminated, I would be surprised if leaving oil in service for longer than a year caused an issue.

Thank you for contacting Blackstone.



Lake Speed’s response:

Thanks for the email and the question. I concur with Blackstone’s opinion on this matter.

Thanks,
Lake Speed Jr.
STLE Certified Lubrication Specialist & Oil Analyst
SPEEDiagnostix
Diffs, transfer case and tranmission are all open air breathers.
 
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