Mid or full size car advice (used)

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I'll third the LeSabre. The 3800 is a very easy to work on engine, especially in a LeSabre. Not much goes wrong with it, either. And it'll get 30 mpg highway driven quickly, more if you're easier on the go-pedal. I've done many 12-16 hour car trips in mine with no problem. The FE1 suspension is very cushy, and makes the car handle like a yacht.

Plus they're less than $10k, frequently with ~50-70k miles on them. Might have to budget for bringing it up-to-date on maintenance, as many were literally "Sunday driven".
 
I can second the Park Avenue; mine has been a pleasure to own.

As lyle wrote, "Prices on used cars in general have skyrocketed," the predictable result of the Cash for Clunkers program. Reduce the supply of used cars, the price on the survivors goes up.
 
Thanks for all the advice!

We did some shopping over the weekend and looked at a lot of cars. My wife and I were really impressed with the late model Chevy Malibu. Even with the 4 cylinder, they seemed to have a lot of pick up on the highway and a very comfortable ride.

We looked at a few Camrys and they were very nice too but the low mileage ones appear to not depreciate and were almost entirely out of our price range.

Test drove a newer Impala and I thought it was very comfortable, lots of power but the interior felt very dated and I'm not sure it would even fit in our 80 year old garage.

We're really leaning towards getting a Malibu. Our goal is to pick up a vehicle that's still under warranty, which will probably put us around or over our $15k limit. They seem to be running an incentive of a $3k factory rebate and if we can manage to haggle our local dealer close to the invoice not including the rebate, we might look at getting a new one.
 
Originally Posted By: kb01
Thanks for all the advice!

We did some shopping over the weekend and looked at a lot of cars. My wife and I were really impressed with the late model Chevy Malibu. Even with the 4 cylinder, they seemed to have a lot of pick up on the highway and a very comfortable ride.

We looked at a few Camrys and they were very nice too but the low mileage ones appear to not depreciate and were almost entirely out of our price range.

Test drove a newer Impala and I thought it was very comfortable, lots of power but the interior felt very dated and I'm not sure it would even fit in our 80 year old garage.

We're really leaning towards getting a Malibu. Our goal is to pick up a vehicle that's still under warranty, which will probably put us around or over our $15k limit. They seem to be running an incentive of a $3k factory rebate and if we can manage to haggle our local dealer close to the invoice not including the rebate, we might look at getting a new one.

I'd still consider an used ES330 or Acura TL if you can find one in your price range.

Originally Posted By: rudolphna
May I ask why? The Fusion, and Malibu (and yes, camry too) are all great for highway cruising, with their smooth and controlled rides.


They are still very "cheap" cars, and they feel that way. A CPO ES330 is going to be far more luxurious and higher quality than any new Fusion or Malibu, as the ES330 was engineered to compete in a different segment. It is like saying a new $40 pair of Levis are better than your older pair of $150 True Religions-- not likely.
 
Originally Posted By: kb01
We looked at a few Camrys and they were very nice too but the low mileage ones appear to not depreciate and were almost entirely out of our price range.


I think that's mostly accurate. I just bought an '11 Camry for $16,880 (before my trade was even factored in). The difference between mine (base) and the LE is a power driver seat and factory keyless entry. I wasn't going to pay the extra $1,500 for that, and I'm sure they wouldn't have sold me an LE for $16,880 + $1,500 anyway, because they only had these 5 base models at that rediculous price, as loss leaders.

I wouldn't have done nearly as good on a used Camry. The dealer had a few '08 and '09 LE models on the lot with 15-30k miles for more than I paid for mine. I probably could have talked them down some, but they didn't have near as much room on a used one compared with a new one. The big 4-cylinder is plenty powerful, and I'm used to Cadillacs with Northstar V-8s. Modern 4-bangers have really come a long way.

Regarding ride quality, I wouldn't quite put the Camry in the same class as a Fusion, Altima, etc. And that's not just me being pompous as an owner. Every subjective review of the car that I've read places it in a completely different class in terms of refinement and comfort. Consider Motor Trend's comments from their March 2010 issue:

In a category of sedan that can still exhibit the occasional quiver, tinny door slam, and head-scratching control logic, the Camry feels like a Walmart-priced Mercedes with human factors courtesy of Steve Jobs. Says associate editor Carlos Lago, "The interior is well made and nice to the touch. Why can't the other cars in this group deliver such an experience?"

...and...

But it's sure a relaxed ride heading to work -- or across the country on vacation. And the flip side to that relaxed-fit handling is a ride suppleness and interior quietness that no car in this category even approaches. Still -- and we were surprised by this -- if you do put the whip to the car through corners, it doesn't dissolve into nearly the handling incoherence you'd predict. Notes Rory Jurnecka: "On the road, I found myself enjoying the Camry more than I thought I would on the twisty stretches. While the ride is clearly tuned more for comfort than anything else, the car's fairly light weight actually made it feel sprightly." In other words, it doesn't make a fool of itself.

Because the Camry's platform was also designed to be shared by the Lexus ES from the onset, much of the refinement that you feel in the Lexus is inherent to the chassis, and Camry owners benefit from it as well. I wasn't planning on buying a car last weekend when I did, but the drive completely won me over, and the price couldn't be beat. If you can find one in your price range, a Camry is certainly worth a drive.
 
I think the Malibu is a fine choice. Depending on your local market, you'll probably get a lot more car for the money. The GM Epsilon platform is just as refined as any other current midsizer.
 
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