Micron ratings anywhere?

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Okay,i never see how well an oil filter cleans like by a micron rating. You would think there would be a micron rating on the packages to compare or...do they not want that listed?
I would believe that most,if not all of us would want the highest micron rating.
I never seem to see a rating on them,hmmmm.
Not being able to find the pureones,i got an AC Delco but now i see that my fram may be a better choice so i'm looking at the hastings,wix.
Napa sells wix filters or is that their gold filter??
Thanks for all the help folks and advise!
Awesome site indeed !!!
 
Found this on another site. States came directly from Asmoil and Purolator.

Amsoil EaO:

50.0% @ 7 micron (nominal)
98.7% @ 15 microns
99.8% @ 20 microns

Purolator PureONE:

50.0% @ 5 micron (nominal)
92.8% @ 10 micron
99.2% @ 15 micron
99.9% @ 20 micron
 
Originally Posted By: Silver02ex
Not all PureOne are 99.9 @ 20 micron... The 14610 is 99% @ 40


The PL14610 + 3 other of their smallest spin-on. Plus, I'm told that all Purolator cartridge filters are 99.9% @ 40 microns.
 
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
Found this on another site. States came directly from Asmoil and Purolator.

Amsoil EaO:

50.0% @ 7 micron (nominal)
98.7% @ 15 microns
99.8% @ 20 microns

Purolator PureONE:

50.0% @ 5 micron (nominal)
92.8% @ 10 micron
99.2% @ 15 micron
99.9% @ 20 micron


do you have the source of your information???
 
Originally Posted By: kemo
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
Found this on another site. States came directly from Asmoil and Purolator.

Amsoil EaO:

50.0% @ 7 micron (nominal)
98.7% @ 15 microns
99.8% @ 20 microns

Purolator PureONE:

50.0% @ 5 micron (nominal)
92.8% @ 10 micron
99.2% @ 15 micron
99.9% @ 20 micron


do you have the source of your information???



Amsoil is on their website and the Pure One data was emailed from Purolator. Not to me but to another person who posted the data.
 
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa

Amsoil is on their website and the Pure One data was emailed from Purolator. Not to me but to another person who posted the data.


To add ... every Purolator filter box has the filtering specs right on the box.
 
Originally Posted By: brick
Okay,i never see how well an oil filter cleans like by a micron rating.
It is not that simple. In any case, the ratings need to be explained. You have to consider single pass filtration rating vs. multi-pass through the filter. You need to know the size of the particles where half are removed and the size of the particles where 98.7%, considered absolute, are removed.

Here's more:
http://busfixx.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/filters9511.pdf

Yes, the filter makers could publish standard testing results, but as long as their filters don't permit rapid engine wear, things are probably OK.
 
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Not all PureOne are 99.9 @ 20 micron... The 14610 is 99.9% @ 40
The majority of P1 are the former, iirc only 4 apps (smallest) are the latter. And yet, the PL14610 has more media than the larger PL14459 which is rated at 20um. Curious.

Afaik, Wix and Napa Gold are the same, and if one enters the application# on the Wix site, clicks on the #, the betas are generally listed. Eg. #51365

Fram efficiency ratings listed and foot noted at the bottom with explanation of micron level.
 
^That's an interesting post.

It makes you wonder if it would ever be possible to find filtration 'efficiency'; in the truest sense of the word', to find out if a brand will come forth with ratings defined as single or multi-pass(which test rating on the box etc) and have a 'micron' rating that is truly defined and not a source of marketing for a lineup perhaps not even specific item in lineup specific.

I like the thought on beta ratio, still it's nice to know if a filter 'could' hold more grams than another(BD+ marketing pitch for example) in extended OCI apps. At the same time, this must be weighed with how 'efficient' you want a filter to be vs the fear of going into bypass(filtering capacity of filter reached); primarily an issue in extended OCIs again. Still you could have the following...

Example: Car "A" has 1 pint of Kreen added to fresh oil after an oil change in an engine that is known(this 1 particular app) to have problems with formation of 'sludge' or the leadings to such.
Chunks that could potentially break loose and starve the vehicle for oil or not, another debate; perhaps the Kreen makes an impact with heavy carbon deposits etc...how long should any 1 filter be left on the vehicle whilst any chemical that is known to be 'aggressive' is breaking down insoluble contaminants?

Thus, a decision on filter choice, can be made with a goal in mind. Therefore, it's not 'always' related to a desire for the best filter at 'efficiency' compared to all others no questions asked. If the engine would be in a 'clean' state? Different scenario. Whereas the desire in this 'for instance' is to remove the particles of a certain size range that is considered most harmful first, that is oil starvation. Note that smaller items not being filtered 'well', compared to a better filter, may allow for more wear by passing these smaller contaminants/wear metals etc.

So, a few shorter mileage based changes are to follow related to the oil filter(1,000 miles for instance) all the while attempting to 'solve' the insols with a product like mentioned above; perhaps just a HDEO alone or even moderately with a HM oil. The 'lesser' filters do their job(your specific reason for using them not being tied to the thought of needing the best 'efficiency'; even if you "knew" one particular awesome filter was better than an "OEM" equivalent for instance. It still would get the 'worst' of the gunk out. You could still have the ultimate goal of more efficiency later to trap the smaller residual 'grainy' items that hopefully still remain suspended in the subsequent filter/oil changes when the large/slimy goo is removed first. Those smaller particles may be a cause initially for more wear(in very technical terms, perhaps the engine will still last hundreds of thousands of miles without noticing such *gasp* wear etc)...yet, for once some may see the 'need' for flow in such a scenario as more important than efficiency. Still, other factors such as actual filter size and overall holding capacity is important. A few posters that tested filters showed arbitrary to amateur results that would show a filter like an M1-EP as being good in both filtration and flow, on the other hand. Most of the time, that filter is larger than the OEM(which is so small so isn't as great at filtering in single pass but flow is never an issue for instance).

Oh, the choices.
 
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
... Oh, the choices.


For a known clean, zero sludged up engine that uses synthetic oil and has reasonable OCIs, I run the most efficient filter I can get for a reasonable price ... usually a PureOne.

When engines are sludged up or a cleaning scenario is in use, then use less efficient, cheapo filters.
 
Makes me want to change the Amsoil EaO20 I'm currently using since insols raised to .05% on my last UOA. It appears as though the HDEO + solvent combo started cleaning more crud and I'm 2,000 miles into my current fill(*see signature).

I have a spare P1 I could use to break up the filter interval. I've got plans to use Bosch D+ on subsequent changes.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa

Amsoil is on their website and the Pure One data was emailed from Purolator. Not to me but to another person who posted the data.


To add ... every Purolator filter box has the filtering specs right on the box.


Purolator doesn't have anything on the box about efficiency for 15, 10, or even 5 microns
 
Originally Posted By: kemo
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa

Amsoil is on their website and the Pure One data was emailed from Purolator. Not to me but to another person who posted the data.


To add ... every Purolator filter box has the filtering specs right on the box.


Purolator doesn't have anything on the box about efficiency for 15, 10, or even 5 microns


It doesn't really matter if you're comparing all filters at the 20 micron level, which is usually the case. A filter that is efficient at filtering 20 micron particles is also going to be relatively as efficient filtering different sized particles.

Do some board searching ... there have been numerous threads about PureOne efficiencies over the whole particle size spectrum ... data was right from Purolator engineering group.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Do some board searching ... there have been numerous threads about PureOne efficiencies over the whole particle size spectrum ... data was right from Purolator engineering group.


Been there, done that. Most of the "boards" have the same "cut and pasted" "facts" from Purolator.
 
M1 oil filter is made by champ labs and is identical to the K&N oil filter. Why do people always compare it to the RP and Amsoil filter when it doesn't even have a screen inside of it. IMHO and only mines I think the M1 is a garbage filter and wouldn't take it if it was free. I have plenty of P1's, D+ and RP filters to last me the next 4 years.
 
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M1 oil filter is made by champ labs and is identical to the K&N oil filter. Why do people always compare it to the RP and Amsoil filter when it doesn't even have a screen inside of it. IMHO and only mines I think the M1 is a garbage filter and wouldn't take it if it was free.
Likely because they are built and sold as extended performance, ie., extended OCI, filters. Perhaps not full synthetic but like the Bosch DP, still a good filter for extended OCI's.

Seriously wouldn't take them if free?
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Could be considered a trollish comment.

As for M1 and K&N being exactly the same, perhaps in construction, but it been discussed here that the medias may not be identical. Many Purolator made filters look the same inside, but the medias and efficiencies are different.

And in case sometimes you feel like a nut, K&N has one.
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Originally Posted By: sayjac

As for M1 and K&N being exactly the same, perhaps in construction, but it been discussed here that the medias may not be identical. Many Purolator made filters look the same inside, but the medias and efficiencies are different.


K&N Rep says that the Mobil 1 filter, filters too well, that is supposed to be a con (somehow). Good to know K&N shares the same thoughts with K&N air filters...
 
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