Microgard MGL57060 C&P

[ctechbob]

Came off the kids 2018 Jeep Compass 2.4.

Sadly, I have no clue how many miles on it. I suspect she's been riding around with the change oil notice on for a while.....as in, the last time I logged an oil change was August 2023, but her and the wife swear I changed it in December. I don't keep up with her car as closely as I do the other cars simply because it was her decision and she's responsible for keeping up with it and letting me know when it needs service.

Anyways......

The ADBV on this thing was as hard as plastic. It is the only filter I've ever had drain out completely empty in the time it took me to finish the oil change to the time I cut it open (Maybe an hour).

The filter media itself looks fine.

 

[53' Stude]

Came off the kids 2018 Jeep Compass 2.4.

Sadly, I have no clue how many miles on it. I suspect she's been riding around with the change oil notice on for a while.....as in, the last time I logged an oil change was August 2023, but her and the wife swear I changed it in December. I don't keep up with her car as closely as I do the other cars simply because it was her decision and she's responsible for keeping up with it and letting me know when it needs service.

Anyways......

The ADBV on this thing was as hard as plastic. It is the only filter I've ever had drain out completely empty in the time it took me to finish the oil change to the time I cut it open (Maybe an hour).

The filter media itself looks fine.

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Very nice. What went back in and on? Thank Yiu

 

[User_19876]

Any other pics of that spring? Thanks.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Must have been in service a while. Thats what I worry about w/ Chinese and similar CoO units - materials sourcing and quality
That stiff adbv is not good. If you bend it will it relax to it's original functional shape. Really appreciate photos of it.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Any other pics of that spring? Thanks.

Why? The bypass is welded onto the dome-end cap. Poor stamping here will not cause a leakage of unfiltered oil.

 

[User_19876]

Why? The bypass is welded onto the dome-end cap. Poor stamping here will not cause a leakage of unfiltered oil.

Oh, OK. I thought that was a leaf spring sitting in the dome of the can in that one pic. My mistake.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Oh, OK. I thought that was a leaf spring sitting in the dome of the can in that one pic. My mistake.

Not scolding User, just commenting for a general understanding. There has been a lot of chatter here over the year or two about combo assembly leaf spring/poppet stamping "ruffles" allowing a % of dirty oil bypass on premium FRAM branded filters with metal end caps. This design is not one to be concern about.

The last photo does have a leaf spring sitting in the dome end of the can. Do you think it may be relaxed? Some doing c&p will stack up the assembly after cutting to indicate how much compression height is provided.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Oh, OK. I thought that was a leaf spring sitting in the dome of the can in that one pic. My mistake.

It is a leaf spring ... used to hold the guts of the filter tight together.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

It is a leaf spring ... used to hold the guts of the filter tight together.

In reading some of his posts, its appears the guy is a veteran of c&p. Sometimes it's hard to read between the (sparse) lines. Here, I didn't feel the need for hand-holding.

Big issue here is the stiff adbv. That's a FAIL.

 

[Glenda W.]

These are normally a good 5k filter, after that the silicone ADBV is a must IMO. Upgrade to the Select. Can’t tell if this is the Wix version or PGI.

 

[BrendanC]

this is why i refuse to run nitrile ADBV filters, rest of the filter looks great minus the ADBV.

 

[User_19876]

It is a leaf spring ... used to hold the guts of the filter tight together.

Yeah. I know. I wanted to see it. The fellow above properly read my sarcasm. Unfortunately, he doesn't understand I don't need his condescension or unsolicited answers to questions I never asked.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

These are normally a good 5k filter, after that the silicone ADBV is a must IMO. Upgrade to the Select. Can’t tell if this is the Wix version or PGI.

There are multiple available grades of NBR some improved, including HNBR. Like I have stated before, I worry more about material spec and testing when supplied from certain "overseas" sources.

 

[Fair enough]

Date code and country of origin? I thought the plastic like adbv would want to be seen. Nitriles aren’t made the same over all companies. Silicone always seems springier but some nitriles are springy enough.
Now since I am not in the market for oil filters, what’s the point anyway? People ask why are you looking at oil filters when there are things needed doing around the house and you have a carton of unused oil filters that already should be thrown out?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Yeah. I know. I wanted to see it. The fellow above properly read my sarcasm. Unfortunately, he doesn't understand I don't need his condescension or unsolicited answers to questions I never asked.

I would suggest you be less cryptic and be more thorough with your questions so we are not wasting time playing "guessing games"

 

[Chris142]

Do yourself a favor and write the milage under the hood somewhere with a sharpie.

 

[User_19876]

I would suggest you be less cryptic and be more thorough with your questions so we are not wasting time playing "guessing games"

Good grief. Could you possibly be more presumptuous? Who asked you to make any guesses? Who was addressing you? What the heck is “cryptic” about asking for a photo of the spring? You made an assumption, and you decided to be obnoxious based on that assumption. That’s on you. I very much detest when people speak online in a manner they would never speak in a deserted parking lot after dark.



Now, the reason I wanted to see the spring is to avoid buying and cutting one for no reason. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the Asian PG long life filters are not that much different from one another, despite so much differing information about filter efficiency. I have a CQP 84060, a Pentius PLXL 10060, a Service Champ HP2222, and a M1 113. The MSL in question has three different efficiencies listed that I know of, including on O’Reilly’s website down in the Q&A where a supposed authority states it is “21 micron.” Above that, in the product description, it lists 99% at 25 micron. Further, as was posted in another thread, someone at Service Champ is claiming the M1 113 is 99% at 30 micron, despite this appearing to be not unlike the Pentius and the Service Champ.

All I wanted was a better look at the spring.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Can you reset the OLM so it requires a call to Dad before the car will start again

 

[4WD]

Date code and country of origin? I thought the plastic like adbv would want to be seen. Nitriles aren’t made the same over all companies. Silicone always seems springier but some nitriles are springy enough.
Now since I am not in the market for oil filters, what’s the point anyway? People ask why are you looking at oil filters when there are things needed doing around the house and you have a carton of unused oil filters that already should be thrown out?

bcs some are actually AEM …

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Good grief. Could you possibly be more presumptuous? Who asked you to make any guesses? Who was addressing you? What the heck is “cryptic” about asking for a photo of the spring? You made an assumption, and you decided to be obnoxious based on that assumption. That’s on you. I very much detest when people speak online in a manner they would never speak in a deserted parking lot after dark.



Now, the reason I wanted to see the spring is to avoid buying and cutting one for no reason. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the Asian PG long life filters are not that much different from one another, despite so much differing information about filter efficiency. I have a CQP 84060, a Pentius PLXL 10060, a Service Champ HP2222, and a M1 113. The MSL in question has three different efficiencies listed that I know of, including on O’Reilly’s website down in the Q&A where a supposed authority states it is “21 micron.” Above that, in the product description, it lists 99% at 25 micron. Further, as was posted in another thread, someone at Service Champ is claiming the M1 113 is 99% at 30 micron, despite this appearing to be not unlike the Pentius and the Service Champ.

All I wanted was a better look at the spring.

Oh boy, you are going to get your undies in a wad on this forum. I am the funny, happy old geezer until someone level personal attacks, then I bite back.
I mention in post #7 above that I was "Not scolding User, just commenting for a general understanding. ... ."
Then trying to understand your question I asked if you "... think it (leaf spring) may be relaxed?"

crickets.

Above you just went on about efficiencies that are generally not related to the assembly leaf shim. Let me throw out a wild guess, you are just looking at general shape and design of this part to compare to other you have cut open?

If this is a Premium Guard OEM filter:

PG2222 - Oil Filter
Premium Guard standard oil filters are precisely designed and engineered to meet OEM requirements and fitment. Providing high efficiency and dirt holding capacity, our filters maximize oil flow, resulting in optimal engine performance and longevity as well as enhanced fuel economy.

Engineered to deliver up to 5,000 miles of engine protection
96% Multi-Pass efficiency and removal of particles as small as 20 microns
Anti-drain back valve with high retention power to help protect the engine during start-up
Nitrile gasket provides a consistent seal to prevent leaks
All metal end caps increase filter stability and integrity for greater wear resistance
For ultimate performance and benefits, conventional or synthetic blend motor oil is recommended

At the highest level of their convention oil filter web page PG state this:

They formerly had a technical/engineering campus in West Bridgewater, MA.

Just trying to add to general understanding here. Thats all.
- Arco