Mexican Champion Filters v. Quality

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Okay the market is becoming global....so that alone here is my thought.

When the budget GM 350 crate engine was built many American buyers cried bloody murder.

Now some ST's, STP's and AC Delco filters are made in Mexico.

Question being are they the SAME quality as domestic North American units? Or is it trash?

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Not sure how they could get much worse. A few nights ago I went to an AutoZone store and pulled Mobil 1, Bosch Premium, STP, and AC Delco filters off the shelf, and then removed them from their boxes. (All were made by Champion in the U.S.) I threw in a Fram for amusement's sake. The Bosch had a smear of greasy machining filings on the baseplate (it wasn't pure grease), and the AC had a 1/2 inch hair-like steel filing jutting from the threads. Big swabs of excess glue were evident inside several of them. I wish I could say I haven't seen these kind of quality control problems with the Champions, but I have on several occasions. Plus, all Champions will be using their new "clicker" bypass valve, and the jury's still out on that critter, but it clearly was a change motivated by cost-cutting (that stamped sheet metal has to be cheaper than a proven, multi-component coiled spring valve). To be fair to the poor folks at Fram (the "Cardboard Cowboys al'Orange," as I like to call 'em), the Fram had surprisingly good quality of assembly goin' on (as I've noticed with Frams before), although I knew that under that Halloween pumpkin exterior beat a heart made of cardboard, fed by a plastic bypass valve.

I have nothing against Champions -- in fact, so far I've only used Bosch Premiums on my 2002 Mopar, although I'll be switching to Napa Golds from now on (among other things, the filter dissasembly websites I've seen consistently refer to Wix's superior quality). I just wish Champion would take that small, extra step towards quality by NOT hastefully slapping their filters together.

I didn't know that they're moving some production to Mexico, but that doesn't necessarily concern me if we're talkin' about a low-tech assembled item (as opposed to say, an engine). It wouldn't surprise me for a second if the third world employee who actually APPRECIATES his/her job manages to assemble these widgets with a higher level of care. I certainly don't want to see jobs go across the border, but if Champion does so, I counterintuitively won't sweat what impact it might have on quality, seeing as what they've done here in the States.

[ October 19, 2003, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: TC ]
 
Hmmm... Two questions:

By what basis do we presume that American made oil filters produced by undocumented immigrants on U.S. assembly lines are superior to Mexican made oil filters manufactured south of the border by fellow countrymen in state of the art factories managed by Americans? For the anti-NAFTA crowd, who's really displacing American jobs?

If Chinese technology is so inferior to that of America's, how is it possible China just orbited their first "taikonaut" for 21 hours this week in a textbook launch and recovery while American astronauts will still be riding to the Interntional Space Station aboard Soyuz capsules launched from the Baikunor Cosmodrome until at least next fall? (unless China offers them a lift, too... Good thing Nixon went to China and Reagan cut a deal with Gorbachev, huh?) Who were the gub'mnt brainiacs responsible for establishing a policy of not having ANY OTHER American man-rated launch platform EXCEPT the aging shuttle fleet that's already been pushed beyond its original design life. China claims it'll be going to the moon with manned missions in five years. Don't bet on 'em saying, "OK, all done now." like we did...

[ October 20, 2003, 02:17 AM: Message edited by: Ray H ]
 
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Originally posted by sbc350gearhead:
I have been lucky, as I have not come across a mexican champion filter yet.

Back on topic.

The STP filter for my '92 BMW is made in Mexico and the contruction looks excellent.
 
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Originally posted by Jimbo:

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Originally posted by sbc350gearhead:
I have been lucky, as I have not come across a mexican champion filter yet.

Back on topic.

The STP filter for my '92 BMW is made in Mexico and the contruction looks excellent.


I just bought a made in Mexico STP air filter and I thought the quality was excellent. Far better than the Frams I saw for sure. I've yet to see one of the made in Mexico oil filters to compare to one made here. Some of the made in USA ones I looked at were so-so quality IMO so I'm not sure the Mexican ones would be any worse...
 
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Mobil 1, Bosch Premium, STP, and AC Delco filters off the shelf, and then removed them from their boxes. (All were made by Champion in the U.S.)

Are We Sure AC Delco are made by Champion?
I compared an Advance Auto branded filter(made by Champion)and a AC Delco. Both made in the USA. They looked totally different????

[ October 20, 2003, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: johnsha ]
 
The base plates are always a dead givaway. Use them to confirm a particular manufacturer. AC's are made by both AC and Champion, I believe.

P.S. I understand that the Mexican-made Champions work best when a half-pint of salsa is added to the motor oil.

[ October 20, 2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: TC ]
 
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Originally posted by johnsha:
Are We Sure AC Delco are made by Champion?
I compared an Advance Auto branded filter(made by Champion)and a AC Delco. Both made in the USA. They looked totally different????


AC aftermarket filters are made by Delphi and Champion, and they do look different. From what I've seen, you can buy Delphi filters at Advance Auto and Champion made ones at AutoZone.
 
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